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After the Dundee Utd match, which we won comfortable, all I heard on the way out of the stadium was fans moaning about certain individual players. After the Aberdeen match there was a ridiculous amount booing like we were in relegation battle. The negativity from a certain element of our support seems like it's the reason they go to the games. We are in a 4 game run with two matches against the Old Firm. People need to get some perspective. There's far too many people in the support that are more interested in heaping pressure on players and managers so that they feeling like they are affecting decisions at the club, rather than actually supporting the team.

Was about to post regarding that just waffled nonsense,chances,what chances?we were completely dominated all over the park and swatted aside on our own patch,any other team in this league would have given celtic a better challenge,very concerning.

Well that's exactly what I'd expect from you. It's not a transitional period? We've lost a manager, more or less a whole team and we've just come through a 4 game cycle again three city clubs, two of whom have 15 times our budget and historically we usually lose against.

Trouble in paradise? Players losing faith in their manager. A manager who’s never actually done what he’s asking them to do. Perhaps that’s cynical, but that’s a possibility.

If we don't beat Killie next week he's under enormous pressure. They're leaking goals like nobody's business. Only a victory will do for me.

People are entitled to piss and moan when they’re being served up utter shite. Nobody expects another Jens season, but the absolute minimum is some semblance of a decent performance and a clear identity. Losing is frustrating enough, but continually losing without putting in any sort of performance is unacceptable. We’re in a death spiral, and that’s not the fans’ fault.

Toxic? Can you define that and how it relates to our support please?

You try and justify that pish and criticize the support. What's more worrying is that someone agreed with you. Yeah its the fans fault for not getting behind the team. It's not a transitional period. We are in free fall without a parachute.

That's exactly what the impromptu pitchside meeting looked like to me. I felt a bit embarrassed for the manager.

Celtic dominated and deserved the win but for all their possession they didn't exactly tear us apart. Their goals came from poor basic defending and an individual error and it's this that's really holding us back this season. The goalkeeper and back four just aren't on the same level as last seasons personnel. O'Donnell had an Indian summer last season but he's done. Paulsen isn't the keeper Ward was and his distribution is no where near as good. Moormann and whoever he's playing along side aren't McGinn/Welsh level. Goals change the whole dynamic of the match and we are losing too many opening goals and goals at crucial stages of the match. There are also areas that, to be fair, haven't been addressed since the Kettlewell era, specifically right back and striker. That said I think our support could do more to help the team through a transitional period. Apparently it only took four games for the toxic element in our support to stick their heads up again.

The guy we should have went for was Valakari.

Can we get a refund then with no return postage charges.

Fuck me. Just saw our managers interview. It was a bomb scare. Talked and said nothing. What game was he watching. This guy is a fud.

I'll give any player that takes to the field for us but in all honesty, Vogt really shouldn't play for us again. Not fit enough and looked burst after half an hour, not up to the level and looked generally uninterested. I don't know what to say about Paulsen. Looked extremely suspect at the first goal but then kept us in it several times but the damage is already done. I think it's harsh to say there were no pass marks however. Said ran the show for us when he came on and I thought Palmer Holden led the line well on his own despite having very little to work with.

Sparrow may have been getting roasted but Vogts offered him no cover on our right side. Every meaningful attack from Celtic came down that side. Neither wonder Tierney got man of the match. He had the freedom of Fir Park. If I had taken his place I would have got man of the match.

That's been the last few games we seem to only be interested in going down the right side which can only be an instruction coming from the manager and it clearly isn't working,longelo is now cutting a very frustrating figure when you see him in space and isn't getting the ball.we're looking very poorly coached at the minute with the basics not even being done,as you say very worrying indeed.

I reckon he’ll walk sooner or later.

We need to sack this guy quickly. If people cant see that they are blind.

Went for the kiwi what a game he had Said was good when he came on but the goalkeeper had the full game. I think the gaffer maybe losing the dressing room

Correct and the manager should have made the change at half time. It was obvious that team selection was wrong. I said to my mate we'd wait until we were 2-0 down before we changed the team. Manager 100% culpable. No doubt everyone will blame SOD for the 2nd goal but for me it lies with Sparrow. Sparrow was getting roasted the entire game and the manager did fuck all to protect him or change..

Maybe he started him because he's losing the faith of others.

It just looks like AJ is almost being forced to play the Jens way which is why we just fuck about at the back with the passing and always go back the way. He doesn't have a clue by the looks of it and has clearly lied on his CV about his style of play 🤯 Its a Temu version of a Jens team and style.......................garbage and I agree with MJC for just about the first time in history 😜

It’s probably a bit unfair to single out Vogt. It’s not his fault that he’s not up to the standard of the league (yet?). It is, however, the manager’s fault for continuing to stick by him to the detriment of the team. And that’s probably going to be the hill he dies on.

Just don't concede inside the first 10 minutes and you'll be fine lads. Whit? Aye, never mind. Now take your pick...

I’m not in the sack the manager camp yet but he looks clueless What’s the point in the big centre forward if we’re not putting crosses into the box 5 minutes to go he’s on our 18 yard box 2 down & he’s got no pace maswanise’s been terrible lately but even I was saying get him on kanga….what even is kanga we had a blueprint to copy from last season despite losing the players & no idea where these signings fit in sad to say but this is a season too far for O’Donnell