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Toughest position to recruit for . When it comes to successful strikers there’s probably been more bad than good or certainly a fair amount of meh . Need convincing that Thor will prove to be any better but at least we can give the guy a chance .

Didn't work out in the end, but better than our Alex Fisher/Jordan White/Jacob Blyth tier of non-scoring strikers.

We are all aware of the constraints that a revamped Fir park would present but for me i would be up for staying and keeping all the memories etc, as long as the stadium was up to a modern standard as much as it can be within its limitations. We obviously cant knock the stadium down and start again so it would be done in stages, there will be disruption but nothing that cant be overcome. However until we see any potential proposals and timescales its nigh on impossible to make any informed comment. So I hope that whatever the club decide to do the supporters will be consulted via the WS or whatever other means they choose as we all have valid inputs.

There is an episode on the bbc scottish football podcast on this topic called "Why change is needed now to maximise the potential of Scotland's footballing talent". Think its just the sportsound pre-match radio from saturday cut down. Its a decent listen if interested. Basically incentivising clubs to play academy players in the league and mandating it in the cups. Whether is comes to anything is another matter. IMO the mandating of it in the cups seems OTT, but overall the arguments put forward for the initiative make total sense.

Perfect summary of Scottish Football.

Can we compete with big English clubs who pay out fortunes to lure young players to their academies? How do we crack that one?

100% spot on that sums up his time here perfectly, he was dross.

Overall AP was one of the worst signings we have paid for in a long time Always in the wrong place , 2 yards short, never really looked interested at all in his time here and permanently injured. Think he wanted away after two months here.

Glad AP has gone, as much as I think he is a good striker and was a potentially good buy, it’s not worked out and it’s clear he wants to be back in Oz with his family. Fair enough. Good for us as it removes a decent wage but unsure what opportunities he’ll get… but not our problem.

After a break and some training time, we are going to absolutely muller them.

Stama mutualled to pursue 'opportunities elsewhere'. Just hasn't really worked out for him here.

Ap Stam away. Club just announced

For those who favour a notion of redeveloping current home - yet to see anything tangible offered, how would you view redevelopment? Footprint is prohibitive, future access will be restricted as the periphery ring road eventually takes shape are just two examples for consideration.

I think there’s a few things here that need cleared up. If you value the memories and uniqueness of Fir Park and loathe to move because it’s what you know, value tradition, etc. just say that. Don’t use we couldn’t afford anything new as a Trojan Horse to get your point across, because we certainly could. Finding a financier and dealing with Ravenscraig may offer issues of their own, but if we’re clever we can afford it. Likewise the other bad faith argument is the soulless Lego brick SMiSA/McDairmid and fear of us getting something similar. Why would anyone think we go you know what that’s the pinnacle of stadium design let’s emulate it, fans will love it. Remembering the fans “in theory” own the club so couldn’t have it imposed upon us. Saying that, we were meant to have a say on this as per a ratified major votes document, the feasibility study should have been made available or at very least a snapshot because we know they can cite “commercially sensitive” to bypass doing that and we’re meant to have a working together agreement that’s also yet to be published, yet every other fan owned club in Scotland has it front and centre on their ownership groups website. Yes it’s going to be a revamped Fir Park because that’s what we’ll do as it’s what we’ve always done, just this time we’ve got a wad of money in the bank or promised to be in the bank.

Yep pal I agree with fact with I just don't know how we would fund a new stadium. I would love us to regenerate Fir Park but I totally get the cost of this also. I dont sit in POD but it needs so much work as do the other stands. And yes if we decided to move to new stadium it has to be unique and not bog standard 4 stands a bit like st mirren's

You could well be right Allan but the club should be doing more than just hinting about its preferred option. It should be coming out and telling us.

Outdated coaching methods, outdated and poorly qualified coaches, a governing body thats not fit for purpose, a league structure thats set up to pander to two teams at the expense of the other 40, lack of talented players, academy players struggling to get game time, a governing body that thinks it can do no wrong,, useless crap referees, a compliant media only interested in two teams. Thats a few reasons to be going on with.

Could it be because our coaches are dinasours and play not to lose rather than play to win. Football is a simple game. Pass and move into space to receive the ball. As a kid i was tought that. Yet professional players seem incapable of doing that. Another thing is that we keep hearing how our players conditioning is miles behind other countries. That surely an easy fix. Guys like Andy Murray, Chris Hoy show with dedication they can improve fitness, which improves performance. Some players cant seem to play more than 60 mins per game and more than twice a week. They are tired apparently. Sports science seems to have overseen a decline in players fitness. They also dont address the issue that all our best youth is hoovered up by English teams for a pittance. There is a danger that rather than focus on the basics, ie fitness and game education they are overthinking it and bringing in ill thought out rules that will make our teams even more uncompetitive in europe and widening the gaps between teams in this country.

Lets start with the SFA...

Having thought about this again, I think maybe we are all missing the point of this debate. The review that’s been carried out has got nothing to do with league re-construction etc. it’s been aimed at asking why we as a nation are so bad in the European and International football arenas.

The club going ahead with the Dalziel park proposals is for me a big hint that they want to stay at Fir Park, as it makes no financial sense to spend millions on new training facilities that could be incorporated into a new build stadium site and have everything on the one site. I think the cost of a new stadium for a club of our size is beyond our means so staying at Fir park with all its faults and the no doubt high refurb costs etc might be the cheaper and financially sensible option. Also if we do decide to move it has to be to a stadium design thats suitable and acceptable to the fans, and not a generic 4 stand open corner soulless ground that we would alk hate.

I've never understood the offset rule! 🤪🤪

Regardless of your opinion on stay or go, this IS a major decision for the club, which lets remember, IS owned by the fans. I think the feasibility study requires to be published, if only for transparency purposes. The board should then put forward their preferred option and any alternative for the consideration of the clubs owners. Its not quite up there with the Barmack proposal in terms of importance, who owns the club will always top the list. But where we play our football is a close second.

I'm fully with you this Goggles, as I've said before. Now we could discuss ad infinitum on this thread about the actual size of a proposed new stadium ranging anywhere from 10K to 18K and all stops in between, but thats for another day. Yes, a new stadium would be very expensive but so would staying at Fir Park as you show here. Costs apart, Fir Park is now no longer fit for purpose in 2026. As you rightly say our stadium is hemmed in by a 20th century land use legacy. The footprint is very tight and limits what can be done. Specific points: * The POD is on life support and needs demolished and replaced urgently. Space for development is severely restricted by the housing near Mrs Baillies. That will never change. * The Hunter Stand at minimum needs a new roof. Its the wrong shape, with access limited to one end and as we've seen recently long queues building up on busy match days. There is no room whatsoever to expand to the east. Catering and toilet facilities are poor and always will be. The views are also poor due to the low inclination of the seating and steel supports, which result in impaired access for some. * The McLean Stand is ageing and replacement of seating is already an issue. * The Cooper Stand is probably in the best health, but the hospitality facilities are sub standard and access for disabled fans is problematic, if not impossible. * At some stage, the floodlights will need replacement but I've no idea of the cost of that. No doubt there other maintenance issues about which we are unaware. Safety standards are ever evolving and each year more work needs to be done, at considerable cost, just to maintain the status quo. The world has changed but Fir Park hasn't kept pace and never will be able to. Fans in 2026 will simply not tolerate the same standard of facilities our predecessors did 60 or 70 years ago.

It’s non fitba but have a laugh