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I was always against VAR because, as I said at the time, it was madness to think the same people making bad decisions on the pitch would somehow start making good decisions when they looked at video. It has turned out worse than I thought, because now they are intervening far more than the original claim of overruling "clear and obvious errors" and are practively refereeing games. When you add the ability to make decisions that change games in favour of big teams then the game, as they saym is gone.

I can 100 percent accept that was a penalty but 100 percent that is not a red card if thats a red card then no match in world football should be being finishing with 22 players on the park at the end. And the fact I witnessed a Ox Chamberlain stay on the park after a horror tackle proves to me that paying for something that doesnt really work you tend to throw it away and VAR as we use it needs to be thrown right in the bin its refs backing up pal refs with terrible decisions. So reading the messages no we haven't been found out,no the bubble hasn't burst and I don't know what game some of the folk here were watching or listening to yesterday but we were firmly in the game until the Red Card.Its like folk on here are itching at the bit for us to get beat have a bad game so they can moan.

All designed so that Celtic win the league .

If beaton needs var to tell him it was a penalty given his unobstructed view of the incident , then maybe refereeing isn't for him. Cowardly bastard.

Also agree about the mentality thing. We' re not perfect, but I see no evidence of a mentality issue. We always knew this approach would sometimes create mistakes that cost goals. It's an intense approach that, more than other approaches, needs all the players to be 100% switched on at all times and all players to be in sync at all times. I also think the amount of success and quality play we have watched tends to make errors stand out even more. A bit like when someones makes an aimless punt and there's a collective groan.

It does have a tendency to make things up. I asked the question again, then asked a follow up if it was Willie, not Bobby and it replied "It was Willie McCallum, not Bobby." Next time I asked, it bottled it and just listed "McCallum" instead of a full name, so maybe it is learning.

The dangers of AI. Was it not Willie McCallum? Bobby was a LB. Don't know what happened to him. He seemed to have a short career which came to a sudden end.

Just was the best player on the park…. By a distance

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ChatGPT says (and sounds correct) Keith MacRae – goalkeeper Davie Whiteford Joe Wark Tam Forsyth Jackie McInally Bobby McCallum Dixie Deans Jim Muir Brian Heron – ⚽ scored Tom Donnelly – ⚽ scored Bobby Watson (captain) – ⚽ scored

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Jumbo Muir? Bobby Watson? Brian Heron?

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All the holding in the box these days drives me nuts. I'm not aware of any changes in the rules, so it really needs to be cut out because it leads to so many inconsistencies in decisions. I'm not talking about jostling for position. I mean the arms around players, grabbing, shirt pulling and the like. Players are coached to do it, and they are coached because they can get away with it. Throw in the fact that teams like Celtic will get those decisions in their favour than teams like us, and it just adds to the frustration.

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Longelo gave the officials a decision to make. Very soft but the sort of challenge that the old firm get awarded penalties for week in week out. The issue like the game at Fir Park is that questions need asking on why the officials failed to send Celtic players off for obvious offences. Tho it is a recurring theme for all teams against them. Then you have the officials turn a blind eye to shoves in their box or over zealous challenges. The shove was soft but a foul everytime outside box. Just was targetted yesterday and was kicked constantly with no protection from the officials. Given how tight the title chase is these officials and the decisions they make are only going to be more biased and outrageous. Hearts have no chance. As for the media and Authorities they ignore the big issues and as a result our game is still in the dark ages and struggles to modernise. All we can do is play our football and try to grow as a club.

For me its the double jeopardy that i have issue with. Penalty yes, and denial of a goalscoring opportunity. But its only a red if its cynically denial of a goalscoring opportunity, otherwise just about every penalty is a red also. Its jostling at a corner, maeda gets the better of him, and the foul happens. Is that a clear and obvious red, when its basically a result of jostling? Not for me. Not like hes scythed him down through on goal. VAR right to step in regarding penalty, shouldn't be recommending a red though. Making it up as they go along though as usual.

Alan Campbell coming on as a sub for St Mirren v Rangers.

Dont disagree with any of that. The only thing I would take issue with is that its a "mentality" thing. Some bad decision making, lack of quality at vital times, bad refereeing decisions and just plain bad luck have all contributed to the games we have lost this season. At no point have I felt that we just never turned up or bottled it.....

I think the red card is for DOGSO. My reading is that Longelo and Maeda are wrestling with each other prior to the corner. Maeda rolls Longelo and gets in front of him. Longelo continues to hold Maeda who has the opportunity to head it towards goal. Longelo prevents this and Maeda goes to ground. If Longelo lets go there is no penalty and no red card. Maeda probably scores, but we still have 11 v 11. Its a sore one, and a lesson learned for Longelo, but I dont think we can argue it. I know some folk think that "double jeopardy" should come into play, but thats only if there is a genuine attempt to play the ball. Longelo has no idea where the ball is, let alone trying to play it.

After watching highlights I tend to now think pen and red card was correct decision though nice of sportscene not to show ox incident. Sparrow definitely at fault for equaliser but Said badly at fault also. It's gone now and would love to get revenge at fir park.

Just watched match of the day on I player and seen 4 worse examples of holding in the box in 4 different games. No fouls given no cards issued. Our referees and pound shop VAR are a complete and utter joke compared to down south.

We move on and hopefully can bounce back. If we can win this one its 9pts clear plus a much better goal difference. I think we were all starting to believe the impossible so possibly explains a lot of the frustration especially on my part...plus I despise the old firm. Maswanhise needs to get back to his levels or else he won't be getting any big move. I think big Thor alongside him would help and save Said as an impact player off the bench

Absolutely spot on in both posts. We’ve been great to watch this season and we’ve all enjoyed it, but it’s very much a case of “so near yet so far” when it comes down to results. And your point about taking St.Mirren’s season over ours 100x from 100 is also bang on the money and I will not believe anyone who tries to say different. Yes they may well be in the mix for relegation and may even be relegated. But they have put a trophy in their cabinet, something we have failed to do for 35 years now. They will remember and celebrate that long after this season, JBA and this current crop of ‘Well players have moved on and became largely footnotes in our history. And what hurts most is that that could very well have been us lifting that League Cup trophy in December against the worst Celtic side led by their worst and most incompetent manager ever but we completely shat it against St.Mirren in that Semi Final and got hammered 4-1. That very same St.Mirren we pumped 5-0 at their own ground just a few months later. That is a sore one. St.Mirren will probably get relegated, come back up and win another trophy before we even get a sniff of one.

Thats a fair point and we won't know the answer about mentality until the dust has settled on this season. The proof of the pudding and all that. I was speaking to a Hearts fan during the week and after complimenting us for our refreshing style of football he said that he thought his team would falter as their character and mentaility were not what it takes to be winners. For all of the top 6 teams there are hard games coming up and there will be no hiding places. A good start for us will be to beat Hibs next Saturday. If we are to be ruthless, I'd like to do so in a manner that impacts negatively on their confidence. Just read Joe's post on P & B and I agree that we need to mix things up a wee bit. Maybe we've become a bit stale and predictable in recent weeks?