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21 minutes ago, Robbos boy said:

Matter of opinion, left on a 'Free' to that top class English side Southend United. Returned on a 'Free' after season and a half. Just think there are more deserving of the honour. 

Motherwell bought him back 

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29 minutes ago, Robbos boy said:

Just think there are more deserving of the honour. 

He's due his place but yes, of course, you are right. Just natural  that today's younger fans focus only on players that they've seen, to the exclusion of greats of the past. I can't recall now who exactly is in our Hall of Fame but you'd imagine that the likes of Willie McFadyen, Hughie Ferguson, Willie Kilmarnock and Archie Shaw should be top of the list, or thereabouts. All a matter of opinion of course

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Stevie Hammell is absolutely deserving of a place in the Motherwell FC Hall of Fame 500 appearances should dictate that. But Joe Wark should certainly be in there as well, if not before him. Not sure how entrants are determined, but there always seems to be a spread of "eras".

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27 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Stevie Hammell is absolutely deserving of a place in the Motherwell FC Hall of Fame 500 appearances should dictate that. But Joe Wark should certainly be in there as well, if not before him. Not sure how entrants are determined, but there always seems to be a spread of "eras".

I think the approach is the spread of eras as you say but also to make it an annual event, the idea is not to put everyone in on day one.

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It's an annual thing, so for these to be interesting there needs to be a marquee inductee each year, then a mix of legends from different eras. As said above, you also need people that can turn up and accept the award. As such, these inductions aren't in any kind of order, and it gets discussion going.

Hammell is more than worthy of a spot, and I'm sure everyone that's deserving will find their way in there.

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1 hour ago, ropy said:

I think the approach is the spread of eras as you say but also to make it an annual event, the idea is not to put everyone in on day one.

Its a fair enough way of doing it. Im just biased as I think he is probably our greatest ever player and should have been in it from day one. Every year that passes without his induction is a travesty for me.  But others will undoubtedly think the same about their own favourite players.

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9 hours ago, ropy said:

Motherwell bought him back 

Possibly one of our finest bits of business back then. If I recall correctly it was the last day of the window too? Jim Paterson moved to Plymouth I think for a 1/4 of a Million and we spent half of that on twice the player of Paterson. No disrespect to Jim Paterson who served us well. 

Hammell is well worthy of his place here, I’ll be surprised if his appearance record will ever be broken in my life time. And people of my generation can definitely talk about him in the same way my old mans generation talks about Joe Wark. 

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On 9/17/2021 at 8:20 PM, GawnUpBy? said:

Possibly one of our finest bits of business back then. If I recall correctly it was the last day of the window too? Jim Paterson moved to Plymouth I think for a 1/4 of a Million and we spent half of that on twice the player of Paterson. No disrespect to Jim Paterson who served us well. 

Hammell is well worthy of his place here, I’ll be surprised if his appearance record will ever be broken in my life time. And people of my generation can definitely talk about him in the same way my old mans generation talks about Joe Wark. 

Stevie Hammell never played in goals, never played left wing or CF, Joe Wark's feats on the field are somewhat overshadowed by his length of service,  Stevie Hammell doesn't know my father either.

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On 9/17/2021 at 8:20 PM, GawnUpBy? said:

Possibly one of our finest bits of business back then. If I recall correctly it was the last day of the window too? Jim Paterson moved to Plymouth I think for a 1/4 of a Million and we spent half of that on twice the player of Paterson. No disrespect to Jim Paterson who served us well. 

Hammell is well worthy of his place here, I’ll be surprised if his appearance record will ever be broken in my life time. And people of my generation can definitely talk about him in the same way my old mans generation talks about Joe Wark. 

Nonsense!  Hammell is worthy but Joe Wark was in a different league and I saw them both many times.

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On 9/17/2021 at 9:56 AM, Robbos boy said:

Matter of opinion, left on a 'Free' to that top class English side Southend United. Returned on a 'Free' after season and a half. Just think there are more deserving of the honour. 

He was injured in pre-season, which ruled him out until October, after which he was virtually an ever present until he joined us in January, for £110k (not a free). So you're not even half right.

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12 hours ago, Winning by Name said:

Nonsense!  Hammell is worthy but Joe Wark was in a different league and I saw them both many times.

If you've never seen Joe play it's difficult to explain just how good he was. His timing of a tackle was unequaled, his passing was excellent and he was running up and down the wing before wing-backs were a thing.

Despite never shirking  tackle, he managed to avoid picking up a yellow card for about 20 years (until some jobsworth ref booked him when we were in the First Division).

Also, unusually for full backs in those days, he had great ball skills and used to entertain us during stoppages with a few keepie-uppies and catching the ball on the back of his neck.

Most impressive of all, though, was his consistency. He was on top form almost every game for his entire career and his mistakes were incredibly rare.

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6 minutes ago, weeyin said:

If you've never seen Joe play it's difficult to explain just how good he was. His timing of a tackle was unequaled, his passing was excellent and he running up and down the wing before wing-backs were a thing.

Despite never shirking  tackle, he managed to avoid picking up a yellow card for about 20 years (until some jobsworth ref booked him when we were in the First Division).

Also, unusually for full backs in those days, he had great ball skills and used to entertain us during stoppages with a few keepie-uppies and catching the ball on the back of his neck.

Most impressive of all, though, was his consistency. He was on top form almost every game for his entire career and his mistakes were incredibly rare.

Well said!

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22 minutes ago, weeyin said:

If you've never seen Joe play it's difficult to explain just how good he was. His timing of a tackle was unequaled, his passing was excellent and he running up and down the wing before wing-backs were a thing.

Despite never shirking  tackle, he managed to avoid picking up a yellow card for about 20 years (until some jobsworth ref booked him when we were in the First Division).

Also, unusually for full backs in those days, he had great ball skills and used to entertain us during stoppages with a few keepie-uppies and catching the ball on the back of his neck.

Most impressive of all, though, was his consistency. He was on top form almost every game for his entire career and his mistakes were incredibly rare.

Wark and Hammel were both great players and deserve to be in the hall of fame but comparing players from different generations is nigh on impossible as the game Joe Wark played, matches, tactics, training , lifestyle,football boots, balls etc is totally  different from what modern day players experience so you are not comparing like for like.

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35 minutes ago, weeyin said:

If you've never seen Joe play it's difficult to explain just how good he was. His timing of a tackle was unequaled, his passing was excellent and he running up and down the wing before wing-backs were a thing.

Despite never shirking  tackle, he managed to avoid picking up a yellow card for about 20 years (until some jobsworth ref booked him when we were in the First Division).

Also, unusually for full backs in those days, he had great ball skills and used to entertain us during stoppages with a few keepie-uppies and catching the ball on the back of his neck.

Most impressive of all, though, was his consistency. He was on top form almost every game for his entire career and his mistakes were incredibly rare.

Trapping a ball on his chest was an oft used skill

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33 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

Wark and Hammel were both great players and deserve to be in the hall of fame but comparing players from different generations is nigh on impossible as the game Joe Wark played, matches, tactics, training , lifestyle,football boots, balls etc is totally  different from what modern day players experience so you are not comparing like for like.

I agree they both deserve a place and I also agree it's often difficult and pointless to compare players from different eras.

I'd say guys like Wark are the exception, though. Particularly as he thrived across different eras in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

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11 minutes ago, weeyin said:

I agree they both deserve a place and I also agree it's often difficult and pointless to compare players from different eras.

I'd say guys like Wark are the exception, though. Particularly as he thrived across different eras in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

Exactly this. Well said. Spot on.

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2 hours ago, Spiderpig said:

Wark and Hammel were both great players and deserve to be in the hall of fame but comparing players from different generations is nigh on impossible as the game Joe Wark played, matches, tactics, training , lifestyle,football boots, balls etc is totally  different from what modern day players experience so you are not comparing like for like.

Spot on mate 

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7 hours ago, weeyin said:

If you've never seen Joe play it's difficult to explain just how good he was. His timing of a tackle was unequaled, his passing was excellent and he running up and down the wing before wing-backs were a thing.

Despite never shirking  tackle, he managed to avoid picking up a yellow card for about 20 years (until some jobsworth ref booked him when we were in the First Division).

Also, unusually for full backs in those days, he had great ball skills and used to entertain us during stoppages with a few keepie-uppies and catching the ball on the back of his neck.

Most impressive of all, though, was his consistency. He was on top form almost every game for his entire career and his mistakes were incredibly rare.

This^^^^^^

My hero!   :wub:

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3 hours ago, KirkySuperSub said:

Joe Wark is in, let's all calm down now, eh?

;):lol:

Just cause Kirky isnae in yet! :P

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The only thing I find surprising is the fact that it has taken this long for Joe Work to be inducted. I have been a 'well supporter for near enough fifty years and of all the players who have worn the claret and amber in that period, he would have been the first name on the list. Maybe not the best  player in terms of talent or ability, but the complete professional in terms of attitude and commitment. Just absolute class, week in, week out, and an absolute privilege to watch.

Don't get me started on how he was never capped for Scotland!

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If they inducted all the greats in the first couple of rounds, we'd be down to John Reilly and Pat Gardner by now.

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1 hour ago, weeyin said:

John Reilly 

Already in the Dundee United Hall of Fame. Often maligned, but not the worst I've seen for us.

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