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13 hours ago, Yorkyred said:

You should work for a local authority, you can be crap at your job for 20 years and still keep picking up a wage.

Now now Yorky. While that might be true to an extent, the same goes for many public sector organisations like the NHS, teaching, Police and indeed many private sector businesses. In any large organisation there are workers who are excellent, good, ok, poor and very poor. Thats life!

Anyway, I suppose football is a bit different.  

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8 hours ago, Haggischomper said:

This. A thousand times this. Absolutely nothing wrong with what Kelly said. A lot of snowflakes around, it seems.

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That would be the Liam Kelly who is on 200k a year and who conceded 3 goals against a team Motherwell should have beaten easily?

Fans are to blame for the fact that Motherwell didn't get the equaliser at Fir Park? With all due respect to Liam that's a load of cobblers. The reason we didn't get the equaliser is because we don't have a prolific striker.

Van Veen is too inconsistent. Efford hasn't produced the goods either. Absolutely it can't be nice to be in front of a hostile crowd but that's what happens in football at times. He's kidding himself on if he thinks a supportive crowd would have got us an equaliser.

Look at the travelling support we took to the Livi game last season. Fans were behind the team from the off and it took that Lamie strike to secure top six.

Kevin Van Veen has spoken to the press and been honest about his own poor performance without pointing the finger at Motherwell fans.

Absolutely agree that alcohol in the mix didn't help. Even before kick off at Fir Park police were called to club 100 as it was getting a bit rowdy even though there was no trouble.

The word my brother used to describe the team at the Sligo home game was rancid and he maybe missed two home games last season due to work so like a lot of fans he's been watching Motherwell regularly enough to come to a conclusion about how good or bad we are.

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Looking at Twitter Liam Kelly's comments have went down like telling a 5 year old Santa isn't real. There's genuine anger from many at realising the players are not in fact their pals. 

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I’m not fussed about what he said, I’d be more concerned about whether he can still be arsed giving it his best when he’s out there today.

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15 hours ago, Yorkyred said:

You should work for a local authority, you can be crap at your job for 20 years and still keep picking up a wage.

how do you know a dont :meeting:

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14 hours ago, Spiderpig said:

All the talk about replacement managers, Mcfadden, Craigan, Levein, Barry ferguson and bringing Robinson back is comedy gold.

We need an experienced manager with a proven track record who can come in and get the best from the current squad, good coaching and man management skills, and preferably not one of the usual out of work Scottish managers thar get quoted when a job comes up, I even read somebody suggesting Gordon Stachan ffs.

So it's up to AB and the board to get this right as he needs to get the team up and running right away as the pre season has been a shambles

Sounds like Tommy Wright is the man then

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3 minutes ago, smiddy said:

how do you know a dont :meeting:

I don’t, I was talking about myself mate. God knows how they put up with me.

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16 hours ago, bobbybingo said:

Depends how far back into the good old days you go, I suppose. By 'golden handshake' do you mean paying up a contract agreed and signed by the club at the time of hiring?

in the 70s when you were on the sites if you moaned about anything thats exactly what you were telt     and by the golden handshake  youv got it       rewarded for not being up to standard     worth wondering if he got the " warning , written warning, last warning, etc etc " for being shite ? now dont jump inn as i am now having a bit of banter ;)

 

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8 minutes ago, Yorkyred said:

I don’t, I was talking about myself mate. God knows how they put up with me.

:):):) brilliant m8 you done me there

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1 minute ago, Yodo said:

No hard 

now now yodo        a take it you got out of your sligo loony bin hotel in time for todays game     ( if you were even there )

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1 minute ago, smiddy said:

now now yodo        a take it you got out of your sligo loony bin hotel in time for todays game     ( if you were even there )

I seen u licking the windaes as I was leaving 

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24 minutes ago, smiddy said:

in the 70s when you were on the sites if you moaned about anything thats exactly what you were telt     and by the golden handshake  youv got it       rewarded for not being up to standard     worth wondering if he got the " warning , written warning, last warning, etc etc " for being shite ? now dont jump inn as i am now having a bit of banter ;)

 

Mibbe the stuff on here counts as written warnings.

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5 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

Mibbe the stuff on here counts as written warnings.

now that could be a starter

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6 minutes ago, Yodo said:

I seen u licking the windaes as I was leaving 

maybe you are right     thats what this team drives us to

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That would be the Liam Kelly who is on 200k a year and who conceded 3 goals against a team Motherwell should have beaten easily?
Fans are to blame for the fact that Motherwell didn't get the equaliser at Fir Park? With all due respect to Liam that's a load of cobblers. The reason we didn't get the equaliser is because we don't have a prolific striker.
Van Veen is too inconsistent. Efford hasn't produced the goods either. Absolutely it can't be nice to be in front of a hostile crowd but that's what happens in football at times. He's kidding himself on if he thinks a supportive crowd would have got us an equaliser.
Look at the travelling support we took to the Livi game last season. Fans were behind the team from the off and it took that Lamie strike to secure top six.
Kevin Van Veen has spoken to the press and been honest about his own poor performance without pointing the finger at Motherwell fans.
Absolutely agree that alcohol in the mix didn't help. Even before kick off at Fir Park police were called to club 100 as it was getting a bit rowdy even though there was no trouble.
The word my brother used to describe the team at the Sligo home game was rancid and he maybe missed two home games last season due to work so like a lot of fans he's been watching Motherwell regularly enough to come to a conclusion about how good or bad we are.
Think you need to look again at what he actually said.

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22 hours ago, smiddy said:

toxic probably     anger feckin deffo    i for one spent the thick end of £750  to watch  90 mins of shite from that bunch of feckin spineless cants   anyway rant over

at least the guiness / cider was great :danced:

That's exactly the point. It isn't cheap to travel. It isn't that cheap for some people to buy a season ticket. You pay your money you are entitled to express your feelings. Some fans may go a bit too far. If the best the players and Alexander can come up with is the fans drove me out and the fans are toxic, that makes me laugh.

Listen to Fergie talk about his early days at Man Utd. Alexander and the players don't know what toxic is. Grow a pair.

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Something I've always wondered about when I read about situations like this, is what kind of effect it has on future player and manager recruitment? 

I mean, for most players and managers this is simply their job. Very few are plying their trade for a club they have an emotional attachment to. Also, football players and managers talk to each other. It's a relatively small industry. 

If you were a manager who had a few options to get back into the game, or to even move up a few levels, would something like this play a part? We've read often enough about how players and managers will pick up the phone to speak to people who know about the club, ex-managers and so forth before they take the job. Alexander reportedly spent a bit of time chatting with Robinson before accepting the position. 

What will Alexander tell a potential manager if they ask him about his time here? Very well-run club with some great backroom staff and a decent squad, but a fanbase that will hurl abuse at you on the regular if things turn? 

If I was a player from down south with a few options including Motherwell, i'd be looking at Kelly's comments and the situation with the manager and be thinking "do I want to subject my family, my parents, my kids to reading abuse directed at me and my team mates on Twitter or social media any time we don't play well or lose? Or even worse, have them sitting in the main stand to watch me play only to see grown adults hanging over the side of the stadium to hurl abuse as we leave the field?"

And I know that some people will say "well, you're a footballer, you're in a privileged position, you make a lot of money, just man up and accept it" but no one wants to work in a somewhat toxic workplace, do they? Especially if they have options.

If any one of us on here had a few different job offers and one of them was known in the industry for being hard work, a difficult environment to work in, would we want to work there?

All I'm saying is, most players we sign usually have a few different options available to them in the form of similar sized clubs down south and even up here. The pull of Motherwell lately has been the chance to kick on and progress your career, but if the reports of negativity start to outweigh the positives, we may find that players we target opt for elsewhere where the atmosphere is less likely to turn. 

I'd hate to see us get a reputation in the game as a place where players and managers actively avoid unless they have no other option.

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8 minutes ago, David said:

If I was a player from down south with a few options including Motherwell, i'd be looking at Kelly's comments and the situation with the manager and be thinking "do I want to subject my family, my parents, my kids to reading abuse directed at me and my team mates on Twitter or social media any time we don't play well or lose? Or even worse, have them sitting in the main stand to watch me play only to see grown adults hanging over the side of the stadium to hurl abuse as we leave the field?"

I say this as a non-Twitterer and a very infrequent reader of other teams social media channels, but I would very much doubt what you describe above is unique to Motherwell fans.

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1 minute ago, KirkySuperSub said:

I say this as a non-Twitterer and a very infrequent reader of other teams social media channels, but I would very much doubt what you describe above is unique to Motherwell fans.

Of course it isn't, but do many other clubs have their best player and captain come out and address it in the media?

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1 hour ago, KirkySuperSub said:

I say this as a non-Twitterer and a very infrequent reader of other teams social media channels, but I would very much doubt what you describe above is unique to Motherwell fans.

On the whole the fanbase are terrific, really passionate about the club. There are however a small minority of the male adults who are akin to rabid dogs, some of abuse they come out with is quite staggering.  It seems turning up at Fir park gives permission to just go to town on anyone in a way they would never do at any other time in their lives.

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1 hour ago, David said:

Of course it isn't, but do many other clubs have their best player and captain come out and address it in the media?

These things are not unique to Motherwell. Our support isnt any better or worse than any other in that respect.

That being the case our best player and Captain would have been better to keep his counsel on that one.

The fact that he is our best player and had a blinder yesterday will allow it to be washed over and forgotten quickly.

The relationship between fans, players and manager is a 2 way street. You reap the benefits when things are going well, but you need to be ready for when they are not. Robbo got both sudes of that coin and Im pretty sure he would have told Alexander exactly that.

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As others have said, our fans are no worse or better than most.  I've heard some pretty vitriolic stuff being chanted at a good few other grounds - Tannadice and Falkirk being but two examples. Given the size of our club, our fans are an easy target and the red tops can print what they want about them without upsetting their readership to any extent. Their judgement call was that Liam Kelly's status was more important to them  than that of our fans.  Would they have printed those comments about the grueseome twosome's fans - absolutely not. Aberdeen, Hibs, Hearts fans - probably not.

A lot will also depend on Graham Alexander's reputation within the game.  I have no idea what that is.  What will Stephen O'Donnell's contacts within the game make of it?

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Fans all over the world are the same. Team on a bad run, players not performing, Manager looking bereft of ideas as how to turn things round, culminating in an embarrassing defeat..home and away…in a match the fans had looked forward to for months. No matter the team, no matter the country, the reaction would have been the same. Patience only goes so far.

In the same way that if a team is on a good run, players and Manager performing, fans will react positively and all will be well in the world. And players and fans will be big mates. 

Rightly or wrongly that’s the way it is with football in particular. Passion is a powerful thing. Rather that than fans and players don’t care.

Time to move on once more. 

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2 hours ago, David said:

Something I've always wondered about when I read about situations like this, is what kind of effect it has on future player and manager recruitment? 

I mean, for most players and managers this is simply their job. Very few are plying their trade for a club they have an emotional attachment to. Also, football players and managers talk to each other. It's a relatively small industry. 

If you were a manager who had a few options to get back into the game, or to even move up a few levels, would something like this play a part? We've read often enough about how players and managers will pick up the phone to speak to people who know about the club, ex-managers and so forth before they take the job. Alexander reportedly spent a bit of time chatting with Robinson before accepting the position. 

What will Alexander tell a potential manager if they ask him about his time here? Very well-run club with some great backroom staff and a decent squad, but a fanbase that will hurl abuse at you on the regular if things turn? 

If I was a player from down south with a few options including Motherwell, i'd be looking at Kelly's comments and the situation with the manager and be thinking "do I want to subject my family, my parents, my kids to reading abuse directed at me and my team mates on Twitter or social media any time we don't play well or lose? Or even worse, have them sitting in the main stand to watch me play only to see grown adults hanging over the side of the stadium to hurl abuse as we leave the field?"

And I know that some people will say "well, you're a footballer, you're in a privileged position, you make a lot of money, just man up and accept it" but no one wants to work in a somewhat toxic workplace, do they? Especially if they have options.

If any one of us on here had a few different job offers and one of them was known in the industry for being hard work, a difficult environment to work in, would we want to work there?

All I'm saying is, most players we sign usually have a few different options available to them in the form of similar sized clubs down south and even up here. The pull of Motherwell lately has been the chance to kick on and progress your career, but if the reports of negativity start to outweigh the positives, we may find that players we target opt for elsewhere where the atmosphere is less likely to turn. 

I'd hate to see us get a reputation in the game as a place where players and managers actively avoid unless they have no other option.

I think the people at the club have worked very hard to make Motherwell a good club to work for and I don’t think that reputation will be tarnished. Alexander himself said how much he enjoyed working with the people at the club. There will be many clubs in both Scotland and England that will be far less supportive to work for. Fans are the same at every club so that is a constant. A new manager should have the confidence in his ability to get the fans on side.

Regarding Alexander himself. Once again he was the right man at the right time for our club. The primary aim for our board is to pick a man that will keep us in the top flight. I have said many times before that it is a minor miracle that we have maintained our top flight status for so long. The board of MFC deserve huge credit for this. I scratch my head when I read the negativity towards Alan Burrows. He does a great job in very difficult circumstances. David I know from reading the threads that you are a defender of the club and board so quoting you here is not to counter your opinions.

Alexanders stats are impressive. He was an honest man doing an honest job and deserves our thanks. He was never going to produce fireworks. His time at Salford told us this. It will be interesting to see in a years time if we regret letting him go in the way Salford did.

Ultimately though the Sligo result was really poor and he had to go. I do wonder however if he was the problem or if indeed Scottish Football is now so bad we should not be surprised by the result. Sadly I think the latter may be true.

 I remember a debate raging on here a few years back about not reading anything into pre season results. For me when a Full time professional team is struggling to beat the likes of Gateshead, even if it is pre-season, the warning bells should be ringing.

Scottish Managers, pundits and players have been making excuses for over a decade now as to why we are so poor when we step out of Scotland. Sadly the facts don’t lie.

All the best to GA. Hope he has a long a successful management career.

 

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