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I think we've been right where we belong for the past 30 odd years. In the top division, sometimes up, sometimes down, reaching cup finals, (very) occasionally winning a trophy and qualifying for Europe on a semi regular basis. There's nothing in our history that suggests we're punching above our weight, nor that we should be doing a lot better. Motherwell FC has improved my life for nearly 50 years and my dad's for a lot longer. It's still the main topic of conversation every time we go for a drink - hopefully next week we'll be toasting a couple of wins.

There are cunts on here who are never happy with any result. When I got my first season ticket in '75, there were two guys who sat behind me, who used to say stuff like 'occhhh, that was a bad goal' when we scored. MJC, Steelboy and Yodo are probably descended from them.

I didn't want Kettlewell to get the job. It seemed the easy option at a lower than low point - plus, he does talk a very good game, which generally makes me suspicious of folk's actual abilities. But, like any Motherwell manager or player, I wanted him to succeed, which he did. I still feel the same and don't want to see him booted, but between his summer signings and our recent results, he's entering dangerous territory for any manager. Hopefully he can find a way out, but it needs to start soon. Preferably tomorrow night. The basic job for every Well boss has to be, keep us up. The board's job is to make sure they neither panic nor wait too long in situations like this. I wouldn't fancy either job.

Think some folk have forgotten the half time score. Yes it's not a win but tell you what we would all have taken a 2-2 draw then. Surely we can all be relieved with that?

If this finishes 2-2 then it does nothing more than paper over the ever growing cracks. We are rank rotten.

That's a hell of a time gap!!! 🤪

We are missing big Bevis. The rest of them are scared of the ball.

Honestly!! Sooner they ban pyro the better, feckin sick of it

I’m a wee bit younger than you by the sounds of it but inspite of how some of my posts may sound at times I’m exactly the same. I genuinely couldn’t imagine life without supporting Motherwell FC and like you whenever I meet my dad for a beer it’s one of the main topics. They frustrate the shite out of me more often than not but outwith family and friends the club is the one constant in life for me and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

Which he squandered on Obika, Wilkinson, Bair, and Shaw. We've also saved money on attackers' wages by punting Sheilds and putting Mahon, Tierney, and Ferrie out on loan. You could also add McKinstry's wage to that list. I get the need to cut the wage bill and not directly replace players, which has been done. But, Biereth aside, Kettlewell has absolutely pissed the KVV+ wage up the wall.

I’ll be having my breakfast watching this one and backing the team.💯 come on ye wellllllllll‼️‼️

Failed managers at every level always get another gig eventually previous records etc count for nothing. Thats the way they operate big signing fee, guaranteed income whether they are successful or not, its good work if you can get it.

The best thing he did was break his jaw and give us Jamie Dolan day

See I have never seen it like that because I saw hammell as a guy that inherited Alexander’s team, made 4 signings. Two had returned to their parent clubs injured by Nov and had at one point and I (quote his press conference) 13 first team players out injured he was a guy who desperately needed a window and players which he got eventually but didn’t get the time to spend playing them together. The players he signed that were a big reason for our up turn in fortunes were Casey/blaney and butcher at the back and the likes of Mandron /obika to play alongside van veen it was those same players that kettlewell inherited and got the benefit of. when you look at both managers there starting points were in stark contrast

Modern life is rubbish eh. People don't have any patience anymore and everything needs to happen now for their own benefit and apparent well being. Social media helps the minority to whip up a crisis, when in the past it was a blip. Club success anywhere rarely happens overnight and managers need time to build a team, especially clubs who don't have much money. Every teams fans forum, say the same. Sack. The manager as he's hopeless etc etc. Perhaps we can be different for once and our fan base can be a bit more realistic about our level in the game and support the manager/players.

Not bad sir

As I said before shaw is easily the worst forward of a bad bunch. That was atrocious

Ollie Shaw needs the jail for that.

How can a man with so many international caps no actually kick a ball into the penalty box.

You thought that was a penalty didnt you 😜

No it’s because he is a proven solid manager at our level who has a reputation of taking no shite and knows how to organise his teams. That’s never going to happen. We would never be able to match his wage demands and even if we did our mentality and outlook as a club would put him off straight away. Love him or hate him Neil Lennon is a winner and wants to be involved with clubs who share his outlook. We don’t, so that’s why he will never come near us.

Minute we hit bad form he disappears. First half last Wednesday was an embarrassment

Slattery's got to come off before he's sent off, he's just punched the ball then complained to the ref. Get him off.

Yep....they would perform well for 3 months then just drop levels like they did for Hammell and SK. My anger is with players rather than SK.

Oh he's close.

Yep. Can't afford to pay off another manager. It's the impostors wearing the jersey that need binned

At the end of the day, its a game of football. Why a few bad results, when we were playing well, should suddenly impact experienced players to the extent all confidence has gone and bad result snowball is beyond me. Two crosses into the six yard box, and we lose two goals. Maybe instead of trying to walk the ball into the net, have a few attempts at goal from outside the area.

FFS what game are you watching.

For all his running about and flexing, Casey is a terrible defender.

Off you fuck clueless

No, he's a character. Big Dan the Man. A leader... On this season's form, Mugabi should feel hard done by. Casey should have been dropped before him...

Well fans - "heavy hands empty stands" Also Well fans - "Just a wee fire"

McGinn - broken face Spencer & Butcher - broken nose Wilkinson - shite

The alternative being what ? Mugabi at right back ? Think we've seen that before. Gent at left back ? Gives the ball away and can't defend (on the evidence of the limited minutes he's had so far)

Biereth and Wilkinson up top, SO’D returns to the starting lineup, still no Miller.

Yeah I'd be happy with any kind of win just to stop the rot. We have two favourable games coming up before the international break then we get hit by Celtic away when the domestic footy returns. Horrible to think that we could possibly go three months without a win if we don't start getting our act together. It's scary how the last few months have went, like you say after the games against the arse cheeks and St Mirren I think everyone was agreed that had we had all our forward options available we would have probably been able to take many points from that trio of games. Since the Livi game we have went right off the rails which is a shame because the likes of Spittal, Miller, Slattery, Casey, Kelly etc had set a high bar and it was actually a joy to watch them.

I am going to be different and try to put a positive spin on tonight. I really hope we get a reaction tonight and a massive 3pts. I am not papering over the cracks and fully aware of the bad run we are on but for me it's only been last 4 games we haven't performed. Very unlucky against St Mirren and old firm but granted still no points. Buck stops with the manager but the players need to have a good look at themselves, some the past few weeks have had massive dip in form..... Slattery, Kelly and dare I say it ..Casey. Tonight I don't care about performance, give me a scrappy boring 1-0 win to hopefully stop this bad run. COYWWWWWWWWW

I don't think that's the way to be looking at it though. Him sitting on a 15 wins from 22 record means nothing. What matters is how he's done this season. And as others have alluded to, this is him on his first full season with his own players. As I said already, our form for this season after the preliminary league cup games stands at 3 wins, 2 draws, and 7 losses. 12 goals scored, 18 conceded. So he has a 25% win rate. Last season he reaped the benefits of the players that Hammell brought in. He got the wages Van Veen was on though to offer to another player.

Fear the worst for this one, we know they will score as we can’t keep hens out a close, but it’s just how many.

He might get KVV back on loan.

Being an arsehole doesn’t make someone a bad manager. Quite often you find it’s the opposite. St.Johnstone haven’t hired him to hand out werthers originals at training and dance through the fields of rural Perthshire of a summer evening, they’ve hired him to get them out of a relegation battle and Levein will do that imo.

He was a pretty decent keeper for us I thought. The way he left us left a bit of a sour taste though.

Results and performances deteriorated rapidly after his first few games, not following a longer period of success. He looked and sounded like a deer caught in the headlights and the players looked like they'd jacked it. That might come with Kettlewell, but we're not there yet.

As I said about Bair in another thread, I want him to succeed. It would be mental for me, as a Motherwell fan, to not want him to become this incredible success story. Same with Kettlewell. I'm hoping with every fibre of my being that he can turn this around and make a success of it.

Be interesting to see what kind of bad runs both Ross Co and Livingston have had past few seasons. Both teams have stood by their managers. Current form is bad but Kettlewells record overall has been good so I still feel he is the right man to turn things round. When we were on good run KVV was never mentioned yet suddenly once on a bad run it's like Kettlewell isn't a good manager and KVV saved our full season .....which I am not denying but he is 1 player. I would say Casey and Butcher were just as vital. Anyway hopefully we can get a massive 3pts on Tuesday. COYW

Who has won two trophys since we last managed it in 1991? Us or Kilmarnock? Who has beaten Rangers several times in the league since 2002? Us or Kilmarnock? The answer to both questions is the same. I’ll give you a clue…it isn’t us.

I agree.... same as Tierney

Sadly though that’s where we are at as a club. Toiling along hoping to survive without showing any ambition whatsoever. Sooner or later we are going to be relegated and perhaps that’s what we need as a club, perhaps. We need a reboot, a kick up the arse and a change of direction and “perhaps” and i cannot emphasise that word enough, that would be the catalyst for it. By the same token we could end up going part time and never return to the top flight but…only time would tell.

People keep on saying we did well against Rangers and Celtic but five teams have already taken points off them and we got fuck all.

So so poor,no youth coming through,poor journey men,end of career seniors, a club going through the motions with zero finance and a stagnant fan base.