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Jesus we have some amount of bed sh1tters in our fan base. We are 5 games into a season with a new manager, playing the best football Ive seen Motherwell play in 50yrs. We are sitting 6th but I think everyone knows with a little bit of fortune we would be sitting 3rd. I think folk should take a chill pill and calm down. Our manager also talks sense and it’s never word soup and I have every faith we’ll be in a Hampden semi final by this time next week.

Just back from the game and I'm seriously pissed off and I'm annoyed at myself for being pissed off because we are a good watch and but for another dreadful defensive laps wed have won. That's 5 games played and we've been the better team in every game. During the GA and SK era Id have bitten your hand off for what I'm watching now ....but ....there's always a but...the final third is woeful AP just doesn't cut it for me, Said does a ton of work but fuck me dithers about in possession and quite often loses it in great positions. If Manwanhise is the player we think he is he should be burying that one on one, no composure piss poor effort straight at the keeper. Defensively we still gift goals that would embarrass a pub team. That was a hard take , at half time we were an absolute joy but by full time we gifted an utterly woeful Dundee a point and could have lost it. So so frustrating.

I’m very pro our style of football and again thought we were excellent in the first half . our midfield is so much stronger than I can remember in the majority of the 45+ years of following us . the final third for me is an issue and I’m not just saying AP who looks devoid of confidence . we have a lots of players who’s final ball is pretty dreadful and that’s an issue. Several flatter to decisive a little, they have pace and strength but lack the same quality of the midfield . perhaps it will all come together but the majority of our forwards I don’t think offer that much . just to be clear I’m not slagging off any players here nor have any doom and gloom - a little frustrated yes and would like to see a touch better quality in the final 3rd

How did you get on?

To be fair it's been pretty easy to predict a draw these last few weeks

Yes. Almost every single statistic in every game we have played so far. The most important statistic, the final result, has not matched the in game stats but undefeated after 5 games with three away from home is still a reasonable return. It has been widely recognised that we are playing some of the best football in the league. We outplayed the team sitting top of the league for 60 minutes on their patch. There is plenty of reasons to think we can beat almost anybody in this league if you actually care to give the many positives some consideration.

Sorry to say as some of the football is great to watch but 5 games undefeated or 5 games without a win, whatever way you say it, that’s another 2 points dropped. Not good enough.

Can't lose, Won't lose.

At risk of sounding like a broken record...AP just ain't gonna do the business for us. Said so frustrating as well. Lots to like about him, but seems a bit blunt when it comes to the final ball/shot.

I’m not defending Ward but that defending was fucking awful. And if you can’t defend you don’t win games.

Happy with that line-up Get intae them

Yer not kidding, see the amount of errors that slattery made last season!!...........just teasing 🤣🤣

The manager clearly sees something in Ward and obviously considers him his first choice. That’s fine, but he can’t keep on costing us goals and points. What I would say though in Ward’s defence is that he actually saved us a point at the death against Hearts with a fine stop from long range, something that has kind of been overlooked due to his errors in that game and more particularly against Kilmarnock.

Hopefully today Stama can get amongst the goals and then go on a good run. Plenty incentive as world cup next year. Knowing us he will get a hat-trick but we will lose 4-3 due to Ward selling 3 goals. If Ward starts today which i think he will then this is last chance saloon

Everyone has their own footballing philosophy. There's a complete range from "win is the end all and be all" to "I want to watch entertaining football end of". I was never a fan of Alexanderball or Kettleball but was content enough with it so long as we were picking up wins. I really like JBA's style of football, as its very entertaining and good to watch but I'm not yet fully convinced it will be successful in terms of results. I'm onboard with it but still have an element of scepticism. Hopefully he can convert good football into points and take me that extra mile. He's not long in the door; we have a swathe of new players settling in; and they are still adapting to his methods. So, its early days. The support seems to be largely on board with his methods, but will it be if we don't get the results it deserves? Some seem to have gone overboard in support of our new style and thats fine up to a point. Yes, its good to see our fans entertained and happy but we do need to start winning. Today will be a real test against a team which, theoretically, is on a par with ourselves. We should have beaten Sevco, Hearts and Kilmarnock and I don't want to add Dundee to that list. My hope today at Dens is that we add lethality up front and solidity at the back to our game.

I don’t want to be too harsh on Lewis Ferguson, given how well he’s doing in Serie A. Still, I struggled to see what he added to the midfield last night and couldn’t help but feel Miller would’ve been more effective alongside Gilmour in the double pivot. Hopefully, he’ll get more opportunities in that role.

I was switching between the Burnley v Liverpool game and the Killie game the difference in the pitches was shocking, how the SFA / SPFL allow it to be used for top level games is a disgrace.

Wee Eddie Munster was having a meltdown in that post match interview. good times

My 2 takeaways (as they say) from yesterday's game are: Welsh looks a decent addition to the defence. We are less effective when Slattery and Just are both absent from the starting lineup Defensively, we're making less mistakes than last season - still too many, but made worse by the fact we aren't killing off the game at the other end when we have the chance.

For me Stamo is devoid of confidence albeit I equally believe he'd scored if we played balls into the 6 yard box. For sure if we had a Cobra Coyne we'd have banged in a few more goals. Where I'm not in complete agreement is it's a number 9 issue. Our balls into the box have been pretty poor and some of the final passes into the box have been poor. Longelo is one of our most dangerous players where as I'd like to see better quality from likes of Said/Osong/and once up to speed Charles Cook. All forwards need to be more concise and I'd rather have AP at the end of it missing loads of obvious chances.

The reality is we’re generally playing very well, but struggling in the final third because we don’t have a proper number 9 to make the system truly effective and add more threat and goals. JBA isn’t going to change his system, so I expect more of the same until January when we (hopefully) sign someone. For those saying “we’ll come good” – we already are good in general play. And for those saying the goals will come for Stama if he just gets more time – he’s already had plenty of time and chances. The only real improvement we can make with the current squad is cutting out the defensive lapses in concentration. That’s the bigger picture for me: more of the same until we bring in a number 9 who can actually deliver.

Agree. We are unbeaten though. I like your positivity. I actually think we could beat Celtic as they pretty toothless up front. Or draw.

Just been drinking in some of these mental comments 🤣 things are fine, I don’t get the whole worked up-ness about playing entertaining football. Well come good.

MJC hacked your account? 🤣

If we bookmarked every game you said we'd lose, we would be in the 3rd division 😂

I'm starting to think that the reason I think Watt and Fadinger are so good is that I spend most of the game confusing them for eachother, even though they dont look alike in reality. This opens up many opportunities. Is one shite and the other great? are they both the same? Then throw slattery into the mix, and they're all better. Anyway, I'm going with Fadinger. Or Watt.

That just shows how well we have been playing - that it could have been five wins in five. Jens isn't the problem in my view - it's the lack of a proven striker - but when I said a few months that we needed someone who could put 20 plus goals away a season I was reminded that that isn't the budget we operate in Hopefully when Hendry is back from injury he'll make a difference. Slattery too. McGhee too... All the injured players.... We miss a Spittal type player

Could be worse. We could be Aberdeen or Rangers. It'll come. We're five weeks into a season with a complete change of players and style. We've outplayed everyone we've seen this season. It'll come good at the top end in time. Another good thing is we're five games undefeated, which is miles better than the five games without a win it would have been if Kettlewell was still in charge 😂

With everyone injured and Stama, who couldn’t score in a barrel of fannies, all we’ve got is Osong, who looks completely powderpuff.

Fur coat, nae knickers 🤷‍♂️

We've looked pretty on the eye and kept possession well again but we've been too slow with it. Knocking the ball around at the back allowing Dundee to get players behind the ball. Also severely lacking physicality up front. No-one to win aerial balls.

Will 36 points be enough?

Should score there. He is the nearly man!

Ap stam is garbage

Stama misses what looked like yet another sitter and nearly splits himself in half doing it. All the effort but no return and that just will not do from a number 9.

Aye all right Whitesnake 🤣🤣

Well done goalie

The back four is probably what you’d expect our first choice to be for the season, I think. Hopefully Ward has a mistake free game. I’d say Slattery and Just would be considered starters but of course injuries and travel have affected that. So, missing two starters but Said is pretty decent plus we have TJ and Cook playing. Maybe this is the game for AP to kick off a good scoring run of games? We Look to be a much stronger team than we have in a few seasons, just need to get the monkey off our back and get 3 points. COYW!!!!!

Ha! Those six goals made all the difference

Excellent summary of where we currently are and put it better than I ever could.

Slattery and McGhee will be out, as might McGinn and Hendry. I suspect TJ and Just might not start, given their international travels. A draw tomorrow with us again playing good football would send many, probably most fans home very happy indeed. Not me though. I want to see a win.

Aye! Ah did! 😆😆😆

I don't care if we play the most honking football there is. I want us to qualify - we can worry about Clarke later

I'm not convinced he learns from his mistakes - otherwise he wouldn't have played the way he did in our second Euros under him. Same tactics. Same embarrassing exit with a whimper as the first time. Also, the last Greece game at Hampden was a catalogue of errors.

Interesting. Any time Ive watched the u21s they didnt look like they were playing the same way. Also spoken to guys who watch the u21s a lot and they arent complimentary re Gemmill. Not sure eits the be all & end all though. Most are being coached at their clubs in a varaition of styles/tactics and some (Hickey) just miss the u21s all together. Anyway, this is turning into a Tartan Army chat. I look forward to Lennons first Udinese appeparance and his upward trajectory to world domination and the Ballon d'Or!

Stama only played just over half a season last year due to injury as folk know - we can't criticise him for not scoring enough goals over the season when he wasn't playing for just over half of it. He was playing well until the wrist break from recollection

I have been backing him since day one and I am still the same. I am with you pal

While not absolving the keeper of all blame, let's not ignore the fact it was the defence that gifted the first goal and the strikers that should have put us out of reach before the equaliser. I'm sure JBA is aware of all these issues, however, and will continue to address them during the break.

Does look like narrow defeat or draw. Given the forward players they have and our current defence and keeper Possibly depending on transfer window if we get keeper and defender in. Also if injuries persist.