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If you're not ultra optimistic as a Motherwell fan, it must be a hellish pastime. Four major trophies in 140 years tells its own story. This season may or may not be repeated, but while we're waiting and hoping for silverware, I'd much rather spend my hard earned watching a team at least attempting to play decent football. Or in St Mirren's case, football.

JBA and our stock is high, building on it would put it stratospheric, fingers crossed we show some ambition

Might be the case. But we each have our own opinion on that. More important is that both clubs get punishment that helps to deter these people from doing this again. I’m not holding my breath on that. I’d make them play the first two OF games of next season behind closed doors. This mainly punishes the fans but is also a loss of revenue for both clubs. Then moving forward any time it happens the punishment gets increased by 1 game. Maybe overly simplistic but that’s just off the top of my head. SFA and the clubs need to have a think about it and work out how to stop this. That applies to all clubs.

A look at your posts over some time re the uglies clearly shows an attempt to minimise the awfulness of RFC. Walk like a duck comes to mind!! Yesterday's aftermath is a case in point in that you blame Celtic supporters when even the dogs in the street can see the Rangers fans where in attack mode . Celtic fans although they shouldn't have invaded the park were largely celebratory. And of course I don't recall Celtic supporters attacking Rangers players!!! I suggest you fully brief yourself on RFC as even the most basic analysis shows that it remains a cornerstone of bigotry in the 21st century. For example this is seen by them continuing to play in orange strips when this colour is nowhere to be found in their official colours. RFC clearly knows its support base . And aside from their ' values' we can't forget their liquidation resulting from their evidenced cheating of HMRC and indeed other clubs ( including us) from points, trophies and European places. Any other club would have been put out of existence. Yup, Celtic and many of its supporters are distasteful but they are manifestly not as disagreeable as the blue lot no matter how much you might want to disagree. Finally, when posting in the future you might want to remember the great journalist Ian Archer's description of RFC and its support " As the permanent embarrassment and the occasional disgrace". Never a truer word.

Tommy Mclean done it, built a team that won us the cup in 91 then continued to develop it and came very close to winning the league a few years later. So why cant JBA fo the same the new board seem to have bought in to his philosophy and i have no doubt they will back him financially. The club is heading in a new direction both on and off the field, so anything is possible.

Well that’s bad because when did the Sun ever publish anything that’s true?

Both Clubs should be punished for the on field stuff from their fans. Don't think any right thinking person is saying otherwise. There are also a few other on field behaviours by players that need looking at but likely won't be. And meaningless fines don't work. But how about the off field stuff we saw yesterday? By that I mean the sickening graffiti celebrating that fans died attending a match, the storming of turnstiles/exit doors to allow non ticket holders to enter and the destruction of seats. Plenty of evidence highlighting those things. All down to the same set of fans who we know acted in that exact same manner at Fir Park. Their behaviour should be addressed as a separate issue and severe action taken by the football authorities and police. But just as at Fir Park I suspect any action and condemnation will be minimal. Much easier to focus on the pitch invasions, as per the narrative from Club officials and most media outlets. Tom English comments on the BBC excepted. I thought he painted a true picture of what occurred. We may have our own issues from time to time. But thank god we are far removed from the toxic behaviour we see elsewhere.

Anyone trying to differentiate between Celtic and Rangers, really is the very definition of two bald men fighting over a comb/splitting hairs etc,

He’s also currently raging 🤣