santheman
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3 hours ago, Lord Tanamo said:
At that time tho, our Board would have been populated by 60 somethings Protestant businessmen and am sure the Union Flag was flown on matchdays back then (take from that what you like).
As was the Saltire (take from that what you like)
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Certainly doesn't appear to have gone down too well amongst the vast majority of fans from what I've been reading online tonight.
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A few things to take from that for me.
A wee subliminal message to the fans responsible for the alleged abuse- Look what you've caused so take a step back, reflect on your actions and think about your behaviour in the future or else we find ourselves in the same position with any new new manager if things arent going well.
In saying that it must have been record levels of abuse for his family to have made him feel the way he does. I've been at every game home and away and can honestly say I haven't heard anything other than the usual moans I've heard for the last 40 odd years. Not saying it didn't happen though.
If things were that bad ar Fir Park then there's boxes in the Cooper Stand they could have been given so that they didn't need to listen to the crowd. Caldwell seemed genuinely not to have a clue about what was going on.
Likewise away from home they could have been given tickets in the hospitality area or directors box away from the Motherwell fans.
But at the end of the day and not looking to justify anything, if we hadn't been served up absolute dross in the last few games then the boo boys wouldn't have had as much to boo about although some of our fans make me wonder why they actually go to games as they'll go apeshit even if we're winning and playing well, Im sure everyone on here will know someone in that category. They must be fun company at home.
Not sure whether that interview will put a lid on things or fan the MSM flames even more tbh.
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I dont think we would have the size of budget to interest Lennon, Scott Brown maybe but would we pay compensation for him and would he leave a club that might possibly get promotion this year.
The Old Firm connection doesn't bother me as there's nearly always some connection to them tentatively or directly for most Scottish born candidates.
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Last post on this.
I'm fuming that Kettlewell didn't have the balls to go with some dignity although I can understand why he did what he did.
I'm absolutely fuming that a few arseholes who think they can shout whatever they like have put us in this position.
I'm also fuming at the club and the Well Society for putting out statements that effectively tar us all with the same brush as the arseholes above and given the press a field day.
I'm actually beginning to question the whole set up of the club as we look like Amateur night at the Palladium.
Seriously considering just walking away after 60 years.
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All they needed to say was although we recognise the right of our fanbase to criticise and voice their concerns, we also recognise that a small vocal minority may have taken their criticism a bit too far and we would urge them to consider their actions going forward so that it does not reflect on the wider fan base and cause negative publicity for the club.
Or words to that effect
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Frail probably has 3/4 games to show what he can do.
Thats assuming he would be interested in throwing his hat into the ring.
Will be interesting to see if he has a different mindset in terms of tactics and formation to Kettlewell and gets a reaction from the players.
Long term who knows but don't think it will be any of the ones mentioned.
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7 minutes ago, wellgirl said:
I agree. But the bigger issue for me is whoever leaked that him and Casey had the bust up - the writing was clearly on the wall after that
Bust ups in the dressing room that become common knowledge rarely end well for the manager in charge.
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15 minutes ago, Chanzeypopz said:
We havent had a proper hammering off that lot in quite some time. Not looking forward to this one at all
Think one if two things will happen.
Either the players will be so happy to see the back of him and having the shackles off that they go out and have the game of their lives
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They go out and its the same old same old only with someone different in charge (Frail).
We'll find out on Sunday.
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10 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
To a degree , he might also be pointing at the easiest target other than himself. I cant comment on the personal abuse as I never witnessed it but it shouldn't happen. There is also the possibility he had lost the dressing room and could see the writing on the wall , so chuck it with a record on paper that stands up and blame everyone else and his future employment is safeguarded. We will never know the truth.
Aye there's that and he is very adept at using the media to his advantage so shifting the blame onto the fans would leave him looking like the wronged party.
Maybe he's overstated the level of abuse but there's certainly been some personal stuff directed at him which I've witnessed personally that was out of order.
As you say we'll never know what's been said between him and the Board.
Either or I just don't think the inevitable headlines will leave us looking in a very good light as a club.
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Frail is an interesting one.
I wonder if he supported Kettlewells tactics or whether he just went with the flow.
Looks like he's very popular with the players at least.
It'll be interesting to see what kind of team and formation he puts out in the next 2 games assuming of course he is asked to do that.
If its major changes then I think we can assume that he and Kettlewell might not have been on the same page.
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2 minutes ago, Richie said:
The Daily Record is saying we're going for Robinson.
As much as I think he would get us organised and safe from relegation I can't see it happening.
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Probably inevitable but at this moment in time I feel a bit ashamed being a Motherwell fan given the circumstances.
Some of our support really are *****.
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2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:
Agree 100% with that.
In SOD's defence yesterday, he had to act as minder to Tom Sparrow and bale him out a few times as St Johnstone targeted him. Sparrow looked really good going forward with his raw energy but was all over the place defensively.
In the latter stages "old hands" Balmer and Casey should have been brought on to shore up our defence. (granted Kaleta looked to be injured). SK has had plenty of more appropriate opportunities in the past to ease Koutroumbis into the set up and chose not to exercise them.
That's the thing that got me.
We were under pressure down the wings and he brings on a guy who hasn't featured all season on the right and a guy virtually in the door and straight onto the team bus on the left. Not exactly the best of circumstances to introduce them.
Said to my mate after the final whistle that if we had brought on Casey and Balmer instead we would probably have won that game.
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18 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
I agree to a point but we've been shite for 2 months except the Rangers game and 15 mins against Aberdeen and Lennon Miller played in most of those games. SK's set up is killing the likes of LM and dragging him down to the dross round about him. I don't think LM's return will change anything until SK starts to play a style that gives him a chance. If LM has any sense he will get out in January cos the current Motherwell team is wasting him.
27 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:I agree to a point but we've been shite for 2 months except the Rangers game and 15 mins against Aberdeen and Lennon Miller played in most of those games. SK's set up is killing the likes of LM and dragging him down to the dross round about him. I don't think LM's return will change anything until SK starts to play a style that gives him a chance. If LM has any sense he will get out in January cos the current Motherwell team is wasting him.
Miller was ploughing a lone furrow most of the time with little or no support but at least he offered something in an otherwise poor midfield.
For the boys sake I hope he finds a good club in the window if that's what happens but from a purely selfish point of view I would like to se him stay and help to get us back on track.
Personally I don't think we've looked the same team since he was injured.
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I've kinda made peace with myself that until Miller is back(assuming he's not away this window) and Slattery can last 90mins then we're not going to have anything close to a functioning midfield so I fear it wil be more of the same for the forseeable future at least.
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Think that's it for me unfortunately.
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Need to sort out our right flank. Wait "Here's Johnny"
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8 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:
Which will result in a yellow card.......for Kettlewell! 🤣
He would need to have some voice seeing he's sitting in the stand.
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Must be the worst pitch we've played on for a long time.
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2 hours ago, wellfan said:
He can quite clearly be heard regularly shouting at officials as well as seen remonstrating with them. This can be heard and seen from the stands and on TV. He’s certainly not been carded several times for telling the officials they looked pretty in their kit.
I'll re-itterate.
I sit near him ar Fir Park and can hear pretty much everything he says.
He is loud and animated, gets exasperated at times, throws his hands up in the air and questions decisions but I have never once heard him swear or use foul and abusive language towards any officials.
He just needs to calm down a bit but no different to many other managers on the touchline.
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40 minutes ago, wellgirl said:
Someone posted on here a few weeks ago and said that they sit near SK and he's always been very vocal - but no different to last year. They felt that he was being unfairly targeted by referees
That was me.
As a former Referee(many many moons ago) shouts from the touchline comes with the territory and you generally try to ignore it but the point I was making was that since his public outburst about Casey's ordering off he seems to have come more to the attention of the officials. How many cards has he had since then 2/3?.
Did anyone notice that after his yellow card on Saturday for 15mins afterwards every 50/50 seemed to go to St Johnstone?
A coincidence perhaps but that was what I used to do if the voices from the sidelines started to piss me off and believe me it always worked. They would either quieten down or work themselves up to a frenzy and a red card, either way it had the desired effect.
Kettlewell is very vocal but no more vocal than any other manager in the League with maybe a couple of exceptions and I've never heard him swear or be abusive but he certainly likes to challenge decisions that he thinks were wrong which should be his right of course.
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2 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:
When players are out injured is MFC paying their wages or insurance?
If its insurance I dread to think what our premiums must be🤔
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6 minutes ago, 0Neils40yarder said:
They come to our club because they have bills to pay...and like it or not, I'd imagine every club has similar reactions from fans who are enduring some utterly miserable performances
A bit off tangent but in a similar vein, did St Johnstone fans not hold a demonstration outside the main stand at their last home game (although that might have been against the board and not the manager).
Hearts held a similar demonstration I'm sure as well as the recent walk out by the Rangers mob.
If fans aren't moaning about what's happening on the field then they're moaning about what's happening off it.
Former Motherwell Fc Players Thread
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Bang on.
We bring in guys nearing the end of their careers with the problems that brings with wear and tear and injuries.
Guys from overseas with no experience of the Scottish game and who you havent seen in the flesh who take at least 6 months or longer to acclimatise to their new surroundings.
Random loan signings who sometimes work out and sometimes not.
I'd like to see us taking a more targeted approach instead of the scattergun one we have now.
In saying all that we're probably not alone and maybe its just testament to the lack of quality available on our budget.