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I meant Livi are charging £20 for their home games. We are charging £12 for ours. Livi cashing in as usual.

PPV Streaming now allowed on a game to game basis. Told we are charging £12 and Livi £20. some things never change. League Matches home and away fans.

I thought each club was responsible for their own tests. So the Lab used is down to Motherwell. .....or St Mirren in that positive/negative nonsense. Some Clubs have even bought their own test equipment rather than relying on outside firms. . I’m not so sure Doncaster is guilty this time.

Very much so as far as Motherwell are concerned. All our results were back...if later than expected...prior to later kick off. So delaying the game was a wise move. Sensible given no spectators hanging around waiting. Unlike Hibs and County who postponed a game because no results received in time, Rangers are accused of pushing ahead with a game against Dundee Utd without test results for many players having been received. Totally against agreed procedures. Perhaps not a bad thing that procedures are being reinforced at this time rather than have cancellations/delays when the season kicks off for real. Downside is that tests have been upped to twice per week which has cost implications. It's up to each Club to arrange their own testing and to ensure results are received in time.

Has anybody heard anything from the Club or the Provider about the streaming issues last night? Would have thought they might have at least tried to reassure those that had issues. I know I’m not the only one who was able to sign in as expected, but was then disconnected as soon as the stream went live. Thereafter the sign in link was dead. Eventually after about 20 minutes of E-mailing back and forth I was sent a “for my use only” one off link to Premier Sports which worked fine. The issue was certainly at their end as I regularly stream sport without issue and today I can sign in on the official link as was the case up to kick off. . Hopefully the problem has been identified and future viewing will be fine. Otherwise this is going to prove a right frustration.

Oops wrong thread

Yep. Crashed just before 8pm. Not good

Now unable to sign in. Was fine yesterday and all today. Teething issues it seems as new advice to contact the help line put up 15 minutes ago.

8pm tonight.

Next to your name - season ticket number( on top right) you should have a drop down menu. From that go to Account Settings and a Password link appears. You can change it from there. At least that's how it worked for me.... A fellow novice.

How could he sign before today anyway if the transfer window just opened? Not out of contract so I thought we had to wait. I thought the same about O’Hara right enough.

I think the one off SPFL Broadcasting rules for this season do allow streaming to non season ticket holders but only with Sky approval. The SPFL recently updated their entire rules and regulations, to reflect last season‘s ending and the one hopefully about to kick off. The finer details are currently being discussed with Sky and the Clubs. For instance, does the game clash with another game being broadcast on Sky or is the actual game itself being broadcast? In those circumstances Sky are reluctant to allow non season ticket viewing as it might hurt their viewing figures. As an example I don’t think away fans will be able to view our game at County, except on the Sky platform. In my opinion that is fair given they are paying for the right to broadcast games. As a means of generating income it would be fantastic if streaming could be sold on a match to match basis, both to home and always fans. But a deal still has to be worked out. I think it will happen though. Surely common sense could apply. How about Sky receive a small percentage of any non season ticket streaming sold within the UK that clashes with their live broadcasts? I am sure Mr Doncaster will have matters in hand.

Or when we are 2nd and it’s all his fault we are not top.

So by that token did David Turnbull show a lack of ambition by choosing Celtic over Norwich? After all Celtic play in the same League as Motherwell and Turnbull was not guaranteed a start every week. A stepping stone to greater things was mentioned as a strong reason for choosing Celtic. More likelihood of development and a chance to learn from better players. I have a feeling he opted for Celtic to be closer to home more than anything else. But that’s only a thought and not based on anything definite. I’m not saying Hastie has shown anything like the consistency or talent of Turnbull, but by moving to Rangers he immediately increased his chances of winning silverware, increased his chances of playing against top European sides, increased his chances of a call up to the full Scotland side, got to work with a coaching team possessing a wealth of International and European experience , got to train and play with top International players, and got a hefty wage rise as well. Just like the situation Turnbull would have benefited from. It has not yet worked out as well as Jake had hoped but all is not lost. He may well be a better player than when he left us, both in a football sense and mentally. Time will tell. If he does well for us, who is to say he will not get another look in at Ibrox? Whatever, I’m sure that given his time over again, he would make the same decision. Commitment wise he was with us for 11 years, despite approaches from other Clubs during that time. Just like Turnbull and Jamie Semple. Unlike a good few other youngsters who opted to leave ....Leeds and Rangers being two beneficiaries. And Hastie chose to return to us despite interest from elsewhere. As for there being the same anger if he had gone to a Hearts or Aberdeen, I don’t recall there being such bitterness or talk of lack of ambition when Curtis Main departed for Aberdeen. And it could be argued Main contributed more in his time with us than Hastie did. And that he owed us for rescuing his career. Players get to the end of their Contracts and sometimes better offers come along from elsewhere. Players have decisions to make and we have to respect that the decision is theirs’ to make. Injury and the denial of the opportunity of progression and security might only be one game away. And if Rangers want to Loan us Greg Docherty and Jamie Murphy as well.......

I'm not so sure it's Jake Hastie getting to the end of his contract and accepting a life changing offer from a bigger Club that continues to upset a minority. Or his outing as a fan of that Club or even celebrating joining them. I suspect it's the fact that the Club in question is Rangers that is the real issue. Otherwise why were these same folk not having a go at Darren Randolph, Michael Higdon, John Sutton, Mark Gillespie, (Chris Long?) and, going further back, Paul Lambert and Rab McKinnon? When they walked out we received £350/400k less than we got for Hastie. In other words, nothing. There are others. And , if youth is a factor, how come McKinstry is hailed as a shining example of how good our youth development is when he elects to move to a bigger Club for £225k rather than staying with us to develop his footballing career? Also, how come we celebrate our goalkeeper joining "his club"? I suspect the answer is that not one of the players I listed left us to join either Rangers or Celtic. Paul Slane anyone? Footballers of all ages have decisions to make throughout their career. Some will get it right, some less so. Credit to Hastie for having the ambition and belief to give Rangers a go at such a young age. Even more credit for having the desire to come back to us on Loan when he had other, less demanding options north and south of the border. And credit to our Management team for bringing him back despite the objections of a few fans and the supposed upset caused by the manner of his original departure. Robinson clearly thinks Hastie can help us and I for one look forward to seeing him prove the doubters wrong.

Lots of folk on here earlier bemoaning the lack of decent wingers available, and At the same time highlighting that as an area we need to strengthen as a matter of urgency. Now one might be available and some of those folk are questioning whether he should be given a chance. Hastie was sensational when he was brought into our side and was hugely responsible for rescuing our season. So sensational that he got a a financially life changing offer, which no young footballer in their right mind could turn down. Even if it has not worked out as he hoped, he will still have the same natural qualities he always had and a downturn in his playing time might just have given him the extra determination to get back to his earlier level of performance. Robinson clearly thinks Hastie will improve our squad otherwise he would not consider bringing him back. And he must also think attitude is not an issue. A hungry young player looking to get back on track and prove his doubters wrong. Exactly what we thrive on. I firmly believe it is a punt worth taking as long as the terms from Rangers are not ridiculous.......wage contribution, playing time requirement, release clauses. It is annoying that League rules would prevent him playing against his parent Club but that still leaves over 30 games in which he can contribute. Like any other signing...permanent or loan....it is a leap of faith. But is it any greater a risk than signing a relative unknown on a two year permanent contract? And if he does well Rangers possibly sell him on and we get a nice wee bonus. It could well be a great bit of business for both clubs and the player.

Yes

I'm not a manufacturer so if it is technically impossible then so be it. But is it really a massive task to leave out one band on the back for one production run? It's not as if it would involve a complete redesign of the shirt. Pretty sure if there was willing there would be a way. And as the client, Motherwell should be able to call the shots. Cost permitting.

Clubs often wear one off tops for special occasions( Throwback day in Baseball as an example) in a number of sports. How difficult/costly would it be to ask our manufacturer to produce around 50 “half hoop” jerseys for use in Europa games, but produce the full hoop version for domestic games and for sale to fans. Or do Uefa tell us what we can wear in domestic games as well? That version with the white numbers is perfectly clear. Even our referees could read that....maybe. The whole thing is bureaucracy gone mad.

As Weeyin says footballers and many sportsmen will spend a greater proportion of their week training than other profession. But every job will likely have an element of training, self development . Health and Safety awareness will also come under that heading. Distance learning as well to gain qualifications to assist promotion.So I guess the issue would be where to draw the line and how to measure it before it’s ruled too much for a scheme like this. If the Government were going to exclude sport from the Furlough Scheme I would have thought Hancock would have taken action when he was ranting about footballers wages and EPL Clubs in particular. He backed off then but I think if he could have acted then he would have. At least one member of his party, and some media, put him under extreme pressure to do so. In the end clubs such as Liverpool withdrew voluntarily. But if Motherwell have provided training plans and receive updates from time to time, then they will have checked it out thoroughly before doing so. Hopefully from the Government as well as Martin Lewis. The barrier any ban might face , especially in England, is that it would actually hurt the smaller clubs who need the support more than the massive PL and Championship Clubs who earned Millions last year and will do so again when this is over. . Again where do you draw the line? And as I mentioned earlier , it’s good enough for Victoria Beckham. Crack on Motherwell.

Ha ha So true. It is clear that a few folk find it hard to swallow that, having stepped up to the position, Alan has done well

Please God no! Four pages was more than enough for me. But I accept your point.

This comment got me curious so I went back and read through the entire thread to see what the "anti Burrows stuff" was. Other than one mention of "Alan Burrows and the Board" at the start of Page 4 of4 , the first mention of animosity towards Alan Burrows being a feature was by David, also on Page 4 of 4. David commented- "I'd be absolutely astonished if this were the case. Some people have an axe to grind with Burrows, but his track record until now speaks for itself, and I'm happy to trust he's making the right call." That was followed by Yorkyred as quoted above. So the first two occasions Alan Burrows was mentioned individually , he was complimented and supported. Hardly "anti Burrows stuff" as is being stated. From what I read throughout the thread a number of people, including me, raised the question as to whether MFC have utilised (or are considering utilising) the Government's Furlough Scheme, Their justification for asking what they see as a valid question was clearly laid out. Others disagree and don't consider it a legitimate question. Fair enough. That's what fan forums are about. Some also expressed a view that our Board could be a bit more realistic with regards to Season Tickets as the season ahead is far from clear in many aspects. . Others clearly disagree and are entitled to that view. Again that's what discussion forums are about. But nowhere on this thread could I find any criticism of Alan Burrows as an individual. Strange that some appear to be suggesting there is. Just to be clear, I think Alan has done and continues to do a fantastic job for Motherwell Football Club. And long may he continue. The vast majority of Motherwell fans seem to share that view. In the thread relating to the League being suspended, lots of posters agree that the manner in which the SPFL Board has handled things has been embarrassing and suspicious. In fact most football fans in Scotland appear to share that view. Comment was made that Alan Burrows is a member of the SPFL Board which is accurate as far as I know. Again, it is the Board which has been criticised and not Alan as an individual. I do think that one person in particular does take issue with Alan Burrows on a regular basis. Why that is I don't know and I strongly disagree in almost every case. But I respect his right to express his views if supported by evidence and facts. But this current thread is not about Alan Burrows although some seem determined to change that. That has deflected from the intended purpose of the thread........ Season Tickets and the justification or not for purchasing them now to assist the Club financially.

A simple calculation confirms it for me. Allowing for 40 employees across playing and non playing Staff, three months equates to anything from £240k to £300k. That amounts to an awful lot of Season Ticket income. In a crisis such as the world is experiencing, can a Business like Motherwell afford to ignore financial support of that magnitude, especially as we possibly have no access to Bank finance. And sadly three months is likely a minimum. Ireland has just announced no major sporting gatherings until September at the earliest. Sturgeon might not be far behind. If MFC are not willing to avail themselves of that support for moral reasons then our Board need to consider what is best long term for the football club, and ultimately their fans and employees. We are going to look pretty silly if, in three months time, the cash has run out and there is still no likelihood of things returning to any sort of normal. I won’t even dwell on the advantage we are handing our rivals. Motherwell should be grabbing any sort of assistance they can and not just relying on benevolent Season Ticket Holders and the Well Society Membership for survival. A lawful option is there. Use it. That’s why the Government introduced the Scheme. Apparently the Beckhams have no such qualms and I think they probably have a bit more cash than our wee football club. Having said all that, I will be amazed if Motherwell have totally ignored the option. Surely some Staff must be furloughed, hopefully on full Salary.

I would not restrict it to non playing staff. 40 employees from whatever group equates to a maximum £100k a month. We are effectively giving Clubs such as Livi and Dundee Utd that much of an advantage each month this lasts. And there are more than those two Clubs. Those teams' fans know that any Season Ticket monies they provide now are being used in other important areas. Not going to an area that could be covered elsewhere. I know that many will disagree on principle. But these are hard times and our Club needs to be business like and prioritise our needs. If an option that helps is available, then use it. Others are. We are not Spurs, who made over a £100m profit last year and can afford to (eventually) dispense with Furloughing. At least for a few months. I would hope though that we would make up the additional 20% as long as financially possible. Then again. maybe they have furloughed some Staff. I don't think anybody has confirmed one way or another.