Alpha1886

Surely 2 out of 24?

2 in 8 actually.

Think it’s 2.

Why can Motherwell supporters not take pride in our players being capped for Scotland? Neither keeper tonight could be faulted for the goals. But some need to nit-pick. Why?

Clarke said before game each keeper would get half a game. Keep up.

Tried to get tickets online. No option shown for away fans. Only offered sections M, N , P in East stand. Think that's for home support. Tried phoning Livingston. Rang out. Anyone been able to get tickets? Can buy at stadium - but no doubt there'll be lengthy queues if everyone's doing that.

Eh?

Not the way they apply it in England.

For what reason? Linesman gave it. And look at body positions and shadows on Sportscene.

You should take another look at it on Sportscene. None of his feet were on the field. His big toe of his front foot might just have been touching line. Considering most people’s head is positioned vertically midway between their legs there is no way the ball is in play when it hits off him. Hammell threw ball back to Penney and shouted to take it quickly to McKinstrey who was free up the wing. Celtic player moved to stop quick throw in. Should have been booking and retake. Booking would have been worth it for Celtic player since McKinstrey was in good attacking position. Fourth official and stand side linesman and Collum should have seen it and VAR. Nothing changes.

Have still to watch any replays of sending off. My first reaction was that Kelly would have got to ball well before Porteous. So it wasn’t a goal scoring opportunity. But no excuse for Shields committing foul since Porteous still had to score past Kelly- no stick on there - and there was still 40 minutes to play.

And that’s where the linesman was positioned and he gave it - not the referee.

Can you then explain why he bothered to get results against StMirren, Livingston, Ross County and Hearts to get to 5th place?

The bois should get it for keeping chants and support going even at 0-2. Some older ‘fans’ could learn from them.

Didn’t say it was not a red. But if it were would like a explanation why Hatate’s was not.

Can someone please explain why Mugabe’s tackle merited a red card and the one by Hatate(?) in tonight’s game gets a yellow? Rhetorical question - I’m sure I know the answer.

Player on back post might have stopped the goal. Anyone know if we normally put a player on the post. Can’t say offhand myself.

No

Make that 4 wrong decisions - well ones that had a major affect on the game. McAllister’s tackle on McGinley deserved a red card, not a yellow.

In the championship?

Fwiw Clarke was probably protecting O'Donnell by not playing him at Hampden because a sizeable number of 'fans' would have been quick to get at him and blame him for everything that went wrong. Much the same as some of the fans on this forum even when he's playing for the 'Well. Thought Patterson gave the ball away, was caught in possession and was out of position in first-half alone more times than O'Donnell has been in his last 6 plus games for Scotland. As Weeyin said Patterson's (lack of) defending led to first goal.

Agree - but The SPFL is operated as a corporation and is owned by the 42 member clubs. Each club is a shareholder, with each having a vote on issues such as rule changes and contracts. The clubs elect a six-man board of directors to oversee the daily operations of the league.

When will the SFA publish the reasons for the appeals being upheld? Don't know how much influence Doncaster has in these shenanigans - think he's only a (well-paid) lackey/ spokesperson/figurehead of the SPFL. And the SPFL is the clubs and the clubs are the SPFL. It was an SPFL tribunal who decided on the 'punishment' but an SFA judicial panel who upheld the appeals. Ian Maxwell is CE of the SFA. So who is in charge of what? BTW the SPFL clubs voted not to allow the SPFL board to put rules in place before the start of this season. The machinations of Scottish football make make Kafka's novels appear to be written for children.

Having watched replay frame by frame several times what I see Seedorf doing , if anything, is tryng to avoid the ball. How the ref or linesman could see what happened from their positions I don't know. But they then do what Scottish refs usually do - make a guess and get it wrong. And the reaction of the Hibs keeper says it all. He's blaming his defender.

Offside offence A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or interfering with an opponent by: preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball or clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball Seedorf was doing none of the above. He was in an offside position but that is NOT an offence. If the defender had miskicked on half-way line and Seedorf was behind him then play would have continued. So between them ref and linesman got it wrong. Par for the course for Scottish refereeing. Would have heard more about it if it had been one of the ugly sisters.