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Knew Ian McLeod's dad, so spoke with Marshall a few times - top man, if a bit quiet. He was good mates with Bruce Cleland, and Brucie was one of the nicest and funniest guys you could meet. When I was a kid, I ran into Bobby Graham in a Hamilton supermarket (Fine Fare, I think ) It was just after he had joined Accies, and I remember being suitably impressed by his John Motson style sheepskin coat and his cigar. Classic 70's footballer look!

It's the price you pay for playing at a club like ours. You get brought in at an earlier stage in your career when you are a teenager and if you aren't a regular by the time you are 20, people are branding you a failure Take a look at the Scotland U21 team today and see how many are regular first-team starters in the league.

Maybe that's not considered "making it up" in media circles, but to create a quote beforehand for a story where none existed and then have it confirmed by the victim with a yes/no is pretty close to fabrication.

They do create their own quotes though, by asking leading questions that only require a yes/no answer. The editors send out the journos with a brief to get a specific angle on a story. In the Rancid's case - make sure to include the OF wherever possible. "So, Mr. Gaag, at some time in the future, would you like to win a satellite on Pokerstars and take on the WSOP main event?" "Aye, that would be nice". GAAG SAYS HE'S READY TO QUIT DOMESTIC GAME FOR WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

Like I posted earlier, it's most unlikely he actually said he wanted to move to the OF etc. The journos ask targetted questions such as "So, after 6 months, would you be interested in a move to Rangers, Celtic or even the EPL?". All the guy needs to say is "Yes", and then it is reported as a full quote along the lines of "I would be interested in a mover ot Rangers, Celtic or even the EPL" says Motherwell's Yass. It's just another reason why you shouldn't believe what you read in the papers - even if it's an attributed quote. Don't get sucked in by the tabloids scuzzy reporting.

See, we're back to this Martin Rose thing again. I still don't get why everybody who hated him didn't just vote him off the Trust. An EGM or similar would have taken care of that. It sounds like a case of people preferring to moan than actually do something about it. On the share front, it's nothing to do with number of members. If the Trust wants shares they have to buy them in sufficient numbers to get appropriate representation. However, if its a well run Trust, they can have influence over the board without voting rights.

Indeed. Or, knowing our OF obsessed press, he could well have been asked a leading question such as, "Would you like to move on to Rangers or Celtic, or maybe even an EPL club when your loan deal expires?" and he answered "Oui". That then becomes a quote.

The original idea of Supporters' Trusts was to create an organised and democratic way for fans to have influence over the way their club is run, either through ownership of shares or some sort of other representation (e.g. on the board). Unless the club is willing to acknowledge that influence then the Trust will be nothing more than a fund raising activity. That's a fine achievement in itself, but it's not a Supporters' Trust in the true sense.

I was never a member of the Trust, but I keep hearing stories about Rose. If he was so self-serving, why did the members not just vote him off?

Only if anybody has the inclination, time and ethusiasm to do so. Otherwise it will continue to be 'business as usual'.

Does Fir Park Corner not do Twitter updates?

Like Stewart's header over the bar?

That's the the sort of well thought-out, and fact free response that makes you a perfect East Stand candidate.

Worse than that - we are talking about a support that thought Bob Malcolm was a quality signing with good passing skills.

Anything better than 12th will be just fine. No problem aiming higher, but after all the selling and rebuilding required, this is a consolidation year. Top 6 is possible, but I won't be too disappointed if we finish 7th or 8th this season. With 6 month loan deals and players possibly signing pre-contracts in December, it's difficult to tell even what team will be playing in January.

Aye, we're letting Falkirk back in it and they just missed a complete sitter.

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Or just pay me to fly to Chicago and I'll fix it

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Hateley in? Hateley oot? Do the Giles Cokey and shake it all aboot.

He also works as a coach, rather than playing at being one on Football Manager.

I thought Butcher dropped him because he had signed a pre-contract agreement with us.

Vast majority? I think you just made that up. Sufficiently worked up to start a new thread about it.