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I tend to think about the headline figure rather than how the deal is broken down, as its hard to compare like for like otherwise. Ive no idea how the Lennon Miller deal breaks down, but we are led to believe the headline figure is around the £4.5m mark. Whether thats in total or including add ons I have no idea. But its a useful guide to start with when valuing Just. FWIW, I dont think Just is worth anywhere near what Raskin or Engels are worth purely based on the wages they currently earn and how that factors into transfer fees. But you would think Just is on at least the same, if not more than Miller was, so thats a fair comparison. I guess only the club know exactly what the Miller deal is worth and therefore will be best placed to put a valuation on Just. I totally accept we cannot stand in the players way when we sell ourselves as a club that provides players a platform to progress their careers, but he still has 2+1 years on his deal and we are a long way past the point where we bend over as a club at the first offer. In short, I think £3.5m plus add ons is the minimum we should be looking for and probably the starting point for negotiations. I would hope to be pushing it towards the £5m mark. Anything short of that they clubs should be told to jog on.

I guess this is where we have to trust Nick Dawes and his data, unless of course Alfred already has a replacement in mind......

So we actually agree roughly on the numbers?

Aye had a good look around yesterday. Couldnt find anything remotely palatable under £600 without staying for a full week! Always wanted to go there but never managed previously with Scotland or Motherwell. If we were guaranteed to go thru, saving the money for the next round would seem like a smart plan. Unfortunately with Motherwell nothing is ever guaranteed! 😆😆😆

I thought message boards were about opinions.....

Nobody said he was a £10m player at Motherwell. But he is a £4.5m player.

Without all the sponsors on it the shirt wouldnt look too bad. I quite like the white Macron down the sleeves. A hark back to the old Scotland Umbro kits. However, the shorts/socks combo doesnt work for me. I also prefer claret shorts. But if we are going for white, the socks needed to be claret. All that said, Im also not the demographic its aimed at so it will probably go down a storm with the weans!

Are you saying Just isnt worth £4.5m on todays market? I dont want to diminish Lennon Millers impact or legacy at Motherwell FC, but one of the reasons we didnt miss him at all last season was Elijah Just. I understand your point about sell on, but at 26 I dont think its outwith the realms of possibility that Just has at least 1 more big move in him if he develops further. For example (and Id rather this didnt happen) if Celtic bought him for £4.5m on a 4 year deal and sold him on in 2 years to the EPL after some Champions League level performances, they would easily double their money.

Currently online looking to see if there are any affordable ways of getting to the Faroes. Anyone had any luck?

Just is currently a better player than Lennon Miller. Udinese payed £4.5m for potential. Just is the finished article and has showed it on the world stage. Im not suggesting we get £10m for him. But we should at least be getting Miller level cash.

I would think thats about right. We wont make as much money as other clubs from players because of the wages we pay, but we no longer need to roll over and take the first offer that comes in. The remainder of our sellable assets are under contract, so we can extract a little bit more than we would have in the past because we are now on a stable financial footing.

Agreed. Last minute loans to fill an identified gap that we werent able to fill with a permanent player is fine, particularly if that player has quality beyond what you can normally afford. But this early in the window we should be tying up longer term targets.

I would have been fine getting Rice back as our player (albeit financially unlikely) but no interest in bringing him back on loan to develop him for Rangers to benefit from. Its not our model. Lets find the next Just, Fadinger, Watt, Maswanhise etc...

Anyone out by Wishaw Golf Club know if the helicopter has arrived yet? 😜😜😜

I think Collins clearly had some good ideas due to his experiences with Monaco. I think he lost the dressing room though when he took his shirt off and challenged the squad to work harder so they could look like him! (Paraphrasing). I think putting new ideas across can be done. But you need good management skills to take people with you and communicate your message clearly in a way they will take to. I guess neither Collins or Cathro had that.

I would presume that the reason he has agreed to rip up the last year of his contract is because he has been offered a deal elsewhere on the same or better. Why else would you? Clearly they want him off the books to free up a wage, the fact that they dont have to pay up his contract is a bonus for them. I love the fact its being painted as a charitable exercise from Celtic though as a thanks for all his years of loyal service!

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I dont condone violence, or threats of violence. The opposite in fact. However, its quite telling that the SFA have come out and blamed fans and the media for their "employees" feeling under threat. You cant present in such an incompetent manner and not expect criticism. The fact that a few nutters decide to behave, well, like nutters, doesnt mean we should all shut up.

The contortions Collum finds himself in trying to justify decisions would be hilarious if they werent so serious. He knows the rules fine. But the irony is, that by continuing to defend his referees in such a manner, he strips them of any remaining credibility that they have on a monthly basis. The public can all see that the Emperor has no clothes. Unfortunately the Emperor has absolutely no idea that he is standing in front of thousands naked.

Id rather have Will Still than his brother Stan....... 😉😉😉

No chance Falkirk are bigger than us. Similar sized club and support. But our history in the top flight and European football edges it in our favour. No way McGlynn moves here though. He is onto a sure thing at Falkirk. We cant pay him significantly more to risk that. Neither should we. Stick to the plan! 🧡❤️🧡

True. But I would have thought a heavily edited audio would be apparent given the circumstances. Regardless. Lets hear it and we can decide for ourselves......

Precisely my point. If its not made available, we should be asking why not. I dont really want to dwell on this but you can still demand transparency without the expectation of it, and highlight the lack of it when it occurs. Might end up with a sign on our backs again right enough.....

Maybe not. But in the interests of transparency we should still hear it. Even if all it does is annoy us all summer. Keeps the boiler stoked for next season and the first shitty decision that comes our way.

Id love to hear the comms. But I suspect we wont, or it would probably have been released by now.