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  5. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

    He's on about £10k per week at Groningen. Killie, or more likely Bill Bowie are paying about £6k of that weekly  plus add ons. That's what I've heard anyway. 

    Information in the Netherlands very different on weekly salary. Chief Executive of NEC discussed freely when meeting some of the recent travelling party.

  8. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    9 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

    Unfortunately in modern football exorbitant wage demands are the norm and at a level we cant compete in so the clubs unwillingness to pay them is irrelevant.

    As for the current custodians of our club I've no doubt they are all successful business people in their own fields but not at running a football club, these are the people who signed off on players like Obika, Souare, Shaw, Wilkinson etc⁸ costing the club  decent money no doubt on wages etc for nothing in return. we're now on our 3rd manager since Robinson left, we can't seem to appoint a CEO to replace Burrows, our recruitment strategy is a shambles and year on year its getting worse, its a constant downward spiral.

    I hope the recent moves to attract additional investment are successful as that may be the catalyst needed to get the club back on track to building a stable team, instead of the summer and winter clearouts we seem to now be getting.

    Throughout the footballing world there won’t be many who have solely become proficient having set out to run a football club.

    ‘these are the people’ never signed off on any player - they provided a football department a budget to work with.

    Burrows was a one off & someone who shielded those making decisions behind the scenes. Expect those who repeat the failure to appoint will be the same when the next in the role doesn’t have the social media presence of those before them.

    Summer and winter clearouts are de rigueur in Scottish football. Would be great to change that cycle, I’m not seeing it happen anytime soon.

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  9. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    4 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

    I take your point the figures at best are conjecture but the fact remains the Well Society are sitting with £650,000 in the bank and the club have stated they have money in the bank. These are statements of fact. So to say we are skint isn't true. We, I'm sure , will not be awash with cash but we are not penniless.

    Whatever KVV is costing to say we couldn't afford it for 25 weeks until seasons end I think is untrue, unless of course what we have been told about the Well Society and the club having money in the bank is pish. To my mind we made a judgement call and for my mind rightly said we wouldn't pay it.

    However we will see once the next lot of club accounts are published.

    Didn’t mean to take your post in isolation.

    I alluded to being skint and not willing to sweat assets in another post.

  10. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    7 minutes ago, David said:

    Harking back to my post about data analytics in November, I honestly still believe that a club our size has to box clever, otherwise we will come undone at some point. And that point could very well be now.

    We cannot continue the process of throwing shite against the wall every summer and winter and hoping some of it sticks. That's not sustainable. 

    I said in November that I didn't know if the club were already using data analytics to its advantage, but quite honestly, I've seen very little evidence of this being the case. We could be way better in this area. And we don't need to spend a fortune to get there.

    As I said back then, if we put the initial framework in place ahead of a summer window, we'd save a lot on the money we seem to spend during the January window.

    You do realise the use of data analytics has been around the club for a few years? It’s nothing new. How they are applied is what’s up for debate.

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  11. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    2 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

    Let's get some context on this ffs, I have no doubt that there were lots of strikers available none of which were experienced, prolific regular starters as they are not available in a January window and especially not for the money we can offer. I'm sure SK tried but the harsh reality is we're not an attractive proposition for some players especially financially. 

    So the players we brought in are what we can afford people need to realise as a club we are feckin skint. The usual suspects are slagging off Vale without seeing him play, they probably did the same for Higdon, and KVV so let's wait and see how it turns out.

    Our defence is just about the worst in the league so we sign defenders and people are still not happy ffs.

    As I've said before and no apologies for repeating myself the whole club set up / governance needs reformed the well meaning amateurs we currently have need to go as the club needs to get back on track and stabilise.

    World of a difference being skint and not willing to pay exorbitant demands.

    As for your closing statement - often repeated yet, nothing constructive offered. A lack of understanding prevails also. Plenty of business acumen amongst these well meaning amateurs you speak of. Back on track to where? Club accounts clearly show the club as being stable. Financial climate has changed immeasurably and the well meaning amateurs have recognised that & fielding opportunities for investment latest interest earlier this week for example.

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  12. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    2 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

    Being Devils advocate , to say we couldnt afford his wages is patently untrue. The Well society are sitting on £650,000 that the club could have drawn down on. They shouldn't have needed to as the club have said they have money in the Bank. KVV would have been secured for around £150,000 but we chose not to go there. Folk can agree or disagree whether we should or shouldn't have. 

    If the club had to pay £150,000 fine tomorrow or be closed down could they get £150,000 ? Of course they could. So I don't buy the "we couldn't afford it" line.

    The back of a fag packet mathematics need to stop. 

  13. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    14 minutes ago, mfc said:

    My thoughts are the same,we went as high as we could for van veen and it wasn't enough.i did say yesterday morning I hope we weren't putting all our eggs in one basket in terms of bringing him back and it looks like that's what we did,which is disappointing.

    Interesting take. Miles from the truth right enough

  14. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

    Stevie Frail has just clarified that Monty is still on loan with us. Situation seems odd. Are we still contributing to his wages? Unless recovery time is overestimated, how much more game time will he get with us?

    Celtic have waived contributions is the scoop.

  15. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    2 hours ago, wellgirl said:

     It's common knowledge that Kelly is our highest paid player and that we offered him very decent wages to get him back 

    It’s oft been said, with no basis in fact. Hardly common knowledge, it’s conjecture. He may well have been offered very decent wages, most are. How many disclose these details? Nil.

  18. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    37 minutes ago, couttsy said:

    Market conditions 😂

    Have any of our rivals managed to bring strikers in? 

    Laugh all you like. It is what it is. At least it ain’t contradictory like that firm grip you’ve got.

    rivals? Nobody of note except perhaps Dundee? Others weren’t even on our radar despite what some on here think.

  19. 2023/24 ins & outs discussion

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    1 hour ago, couttsy said:

    I also get that not all of the circumstances are within our control but if having 1 fit recognised striker (who’s quality is questionable), prior to playing one of your main relegation rivals away from home isn’t the time to make sure you push a deal over the line, then I think you’re taking a gamble. 

    So what is it you’ve a firm grip on?

    This making sure you push a deal over the line has no circumstances?

    It’s not great, most recognise that. Market conditions dictate otherwise.

     

  22. Former Motherwell Fc Players Thread

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    15 hours ago, Mad Dog said:

    On the subject of Conor Wilkinson, he was signed on a free transfer, scored a couple of goals but it didn't really work out for him. He then went to Colchester for an undisclosed fee so the club made a profit on that deal. It could be said that he shouldn't have been signed up in the first place but SK recognised this and managed to sell him on which provided the club with vital funds.

    Profit? Not really how it works, but, batter in.

    Let’s see what club accounts bring about a year from now.

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