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1 hour ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
I'm not asking you to trust fcuk all. I don't rate him you do end of story , time will tell.
Time has told? Over 50 appearances in last 2 seasons.
Been lucky enough to be in company hearing our recent managerial appointments give expert opinion that he’s got the attributes to progress.
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7 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
Corneleus is a lightweight its got feck all to do with a wee mistake. Hes very easily dispossessed and isnt particularly strong in the tackle. He does have youth on his side and that may improve but for me doesnt particularly add anything.Thats the reason he warms the bench more often that not. Nobody would be more delighted than me if he became a mainstay of the team but don't expect it to happen.
Quite the take. Think most will trust Kettlewell’s judgement over yours right enough - he’s been open in his assessment too.
This warming the bench you speak of, at least be factual - Slattery retained his position after securing a point at Kilmarnock, Kid reclaimed his place before picking up a knock pre-split, then got back in on full fitness.
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50 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
I think not. Goss is technically a better player of the ball than Cornelius, in my opinion. The fact they play different roles is immaterial. Goss can ride a tackle Cornelius is far too easily muscled out. Goss reads the game better than Cornelius. Cornelius is to prone to be a headless chicken. Hes young enough where that may improve. Would it be harder to replace Goss in his role than Cornelius in his role ? I think the answer is yes. For me Goss is a better asset. Cornelius is very replaceable within our budget.
Turn it up. Hardly immaterial given they’re asked to perform very different roles, hence, apples and oranges quip.
May be some merit in individual points you make, but, can discount your headless chicken claim. Suppose it’s all in the understanding of the game.
Don't think his inclusion when Hammell (who rated him highly) was emptied can be understated. Certainly wasn’t coincidence the upturn in form of Goss and the freedom afforded to Spittal.
It’s all a moot point anyway.
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4 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
agreed
Comparing apples with oranges.
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2 minutes ago, MJC said:
I am 100% sure I’m not a Rangers fan, thanks for asking. I dislike Celtic more than Rangers but that does not equate to actually supporting or even liking Rangers.
Your post from a few months back didn’t cause me any offence, I just found it a bizarre take. Unless you know something I don’t about TB’s post match celebrations or there is something I either completely missed at the time or else completely forgotten about, I don’t see how you can deduce that his celebrations after that game were more driven by his supposed love of Rangers and delight at them winning the title rather than being pleased that the team he was manager of had just won in incredible circumstances.
You’re entitled to your opinion and if that’s just how you saw it then fair enough. I just don’t see what he did wrong that day.
Should he, the players and us as Motherwell fans just have quietly and respectfully left the ground that day, perhaps even apologising to Celtic, their fans and their players for ruining their title party? That’s certainly what a lot of Celtic fans and many of their players who were involved that day have basically said that they think we should have done when they have been greetin about the lack of respect we showed them.
One doth protest too much…
For me, the tribute act are beyond parody- they’ve become everything they hated about the other and then some.
Just to echo sentiment of others, 2 cheeks, same arse.
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41 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:
Reading between the lines, I see what you are saying.
However, it is possible that he did both.
Unlike a certain other player that used rules and regulations to get himself a move and ensure that the parent club didnt have to pay us anything.
Theres a kick back in both examples.
Fair comment.
Worked in our favour.
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17 minutes ago, Robbos boy said:
Absolute nonsense, why you are still allowed to post on hear I'll never know. The boy stood by the club, who had looked after him, which sometimes we do too much. Just have a look at some of the players on our books at the moment who are picking up a wage for sitting in the house. 100% the lad did the right thing by the club and support rather than walk away for compensation money. Well done David, hopefully you get moved on and make more money for us!!!!!!!!!.
🤣 Nae bother.
Read what is being said and not just look at the words…
Nothing said was a slight on the person.
To think he didn’t look after himself to fit the narrative of being Motherwell minded is a bit of a stretch.
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33 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:
apologies if I'm taking this out of context. After injury DT resigned for us on a 2.5 year contract which took him back to the same position as when Celtic first agreed to sign him.
He could easily have not done this , which ultimately earned us our highest ever transfer.
Appreciate all players need to look out for themselves hence Max Jonhstone who's only played at handful of games is causing a stir.
DT did us a turn, a very decent guy who ensured the club he followed and played for over his early years were well looked after. Not too many would or have done this.Yeah, out of context. Not disputing all of what you’ve said either, certainly not a slight on the player himself.
His signing of that contract protected his interests post injury every bit as much as ensuring the club who developed him were looked after. He didn’t walk away from that contract for nil for example, hence, David Turnbull was David Turnbull minded.
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8 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:
I really dont understand this logic.
Even if we had played Max from the beginning of the season, he was still out of contract at the end of it.
So even if a club had come in for him in January, how were we going to extract a transfer fee larger than the one we will get as a development fee?
Chances are we still get in the region of £400k for him and still only get the benefit of 6 months first team action out of him.
The best we could have hoped for is not to get a bid in January and benefit from 12 months first team football.
Like others have said repeatedly on here, you can offer a young player an improved / longer term contract. But you cant make them sign it.
They are not all Motherwell minded like David Turnbull.
Lots of variables in an ever difficult process. Hypothetical for now as we don’t know players’ intention.
I’d expect those with the grasp on development football and particularly those involved in this player would argue club haven’t moved enough to protect their asset. In reality, it’s more than signing of a contract which you’ve correctly said can’t be forced.
Any development monies are questionable despite set fees as the terms of future incomes are negotiable. I’ll rely on club accounting.
David Turnbull was David Turnbull minded.
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25 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
For me Dave that statement says, "we've not been overwhelmed with interest in the job" but I'll give the board the benefit of the doubt and assume they are carrying out proper due diligence etc to ensure the get the right individual in post to take the club forward or, just promote an existing club employee like they usually do.
Not sure that would be accurate.
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48 minutes ago, Robbos boy said:
A sentence that sums your input to this discussion, no wonder the club have difficulty with people. You say nobody has been injured, but wait till someone is, because if the throwing lobbing or whatever your take on the matter doesn't stop, someone somewhere will get hurt. Now if it turns out to be you, then OK, I promise I won't say a word. (no laughing emoji to be inserted)
In your mind? Suppose so.
Aye, it’s no wonder the club find it difficult, not enough über fans like you. Tragic.
As for your closing statements, stop the world the free thinking amongst us want to get off! Just from experience home & abroad, injury is highly unlikely. That’s why many don’t get bent out of shape over it.
Goes back to why you and others have chosen to reference pyro and its use. That’s another debate which bears no relevance to current protest or representations to the Society leadership & Club. Makes your dribblings a moot point at any rate.
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36 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
Seriously even with the winking face that is feckin horrendous patter have a look at your self, this is real life not some episode of the "football factory" which you seem to think it is, get a grip ffs.
Nearly as bad as your holocaust patter on here then. “football factory” tsk. Give your head a wobble.
Got a grip.
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13 minutes ago, Robbos boy said:
Just awakened to see you're back with more pedantic Pish!!!!. Ok the Bois are wee angels, who sprinkle fairy dust home and away bringing joy to the lives of supporters. They are a charitable organisation who abhor violence in any form and are honest citizens. They wish to support their team by creating a family experience of handing out goodies for the kids and in the winter blankets for the old fogies, but are denied this by the evil villain (Insert Mr Park). Away and throw shite at the moon ya bammer, oh and its not grassing its doing yir public duty,so a disabled fan gets injured and you would keep stum, no wonder the bois have problems.
😂 Am I? Sides are splitting.
Nobody has professed the Bois are angels. You and others constant reference to them show the lack of understanding on the subject also.
A denial as you put it by the evil villain/employee mentioned has little to no bearing on the protest, but, it’s not fitting your agenda - suspect the information which is will be known as the proposed meeting happens.
Away and throw shite at the moon? Really? Act your age and not your shoe size never more apt. As for the personal slate? What’s a bammer?
Nobody was injured, has there ever been? The disabled fan himself would take you to task too, he even laughed what is your version of any incident off online. I’d say it would be unfortunate but, not the target practice you seem to think it is. Rightly, the culprit (in a worse case scenario) should be called out and be suffice - no issue with that. But, running to the powers that be (the club have enough as it is I’m told) is behaviour worth the watching.
it’s grassing. Remember snitches get stitches 😉
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6 hours ago, Robbos boy said:
They threw them indiscriminately in a direction towards where disabled Motherwell supporters were, fact, the guy burnt his hand fact, as I was close to him pissing myself, after I had realised no supporter was injured. As for media outlets, oh really, 'Hello is that the Daily Record, I'm the Sammy that threw a flare indiscriminately at Starks Park, do you want an exclusive' Get real, stop your pointless defending of the incident, it happened 100% and if someone had got injured, 100%,I would have pointed him out.
Right, so you’ve gone from ‘lobbing into’ then ‘throwing’ to ‘they threw them indiscriminately in a direction towards’. Well, now that you’re sure… took you three goes to decide.
A lot of facts there. Pissing yourself at someone being injured as you alleged? I bet, you go down a storm at a party.
On your media outlets quip, fair to return the pedantic baton to yourself. Burn injury would have received exposure on plenty of platforms. It didn’t & not for the reason you’ve given.
Get real? Have been throughout, much to your chagrin obviously - not once have I defended throwing pyro devices so your rambling is erm, pointless.
100%. Nobody likes a grass either.
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11 minutes ago, Robbos boy said:
You stated Pinocchio vibes, leaning towards telling lies when in fact as the other poster stated it was 100%,true. Next time perhaps the guy who burned his hand doing it, should try oven gloves.!!!!
No they never. Read what they said & not just look at the words!
Nobody threw anything ‘into’ the crowd…
Wheres the evidence of this burnt hand? Befuddled. Given the scaremongering going on this would’ve made the media outlets without a doubt.
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35 minutes ago, MJC said:
If by “they were pilloried for the action in plenty of circles” you are referring to the Well Bois holding a joint protest with the Green Brigade then yes I know they were, and rightly so. And “it’s never happened again” then good! Rightly so. Because they were shown by the unwillingness of the wider support to join in with or support them on that that they were in the wrong for it and weren’t supported by the majority of our fanbase.
And yes, I’m “peddling that again” and I will keep doing so as long as that group keep acting like the Green Brigade with their behaviours, statements and victim mentalities.
If you fly with the crows and all that…
In your opinion. Suspect if they acted like you say they do the powers that be would have ‘em disbanded toot sweet.
Flying with the crows is way off in this instance.
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27 minutes ago, Robbos boy said:
I'll answer your pedantic reply, by saying then, not lobbing, But throwing indiscriminately into their own support, namely the disabled area at Kirkcaldy, so I'll see yir Pinochio pish and raise you a Geppetto, the matter is fact, stop trying to defend the matter, it was also posted on the match thread at the time. Are you in the group, asking for a friend.
😂 I knew you would. Gepetto? Deary me.
Pedantic as I am, point me to where I am defending the matter? You claim ‘fact’ - when all that was asked was to keep things factual. Recall it being mentioned real time, felt it was exaggerated then as I do now. Poster above gives fair reasoning though.
Tell your friend I’m definitely not in the group, never have been nor ever will be. I certainly don’t mind their company on occasion and understand their aims. It happens when you expand your mind.
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29 minutes ago, santheman said:
Well they did at Kircaldy however I'll quantify that by giving the benefit of the doubt that it was unintentional as I think it was aimed at the rows of empty seats at the front of the stand and their aim was off, but nevertheless whoever threw it came within a couple of inches of severely injuring one of our wheelchair users.
Thankfully there have been no more flares that I'm aware of since then so hopefully lessons have been learned.
Fair comment.
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55 minutes ago, MJC said:
The incident mentioned in the above post where Celtic fans/The Green Brigade/Celtic fans led by the Green Brigade trashed the South Stand at Fir Park happened in December 2013 and rightly had the majority of the Motherwell support up in arms at both it happening and the lack of action taken against the perpetrators.
Then, less than two years later in October 2015, the ‘Well Bois’ participated in a joint protest with the Green Brigade/Celtic support over supposed unfair treatment of football fans. In other words they stood shoulder to shoulder with the same group who had caused thousands of pounds worth of damage to Fir Park with little to no comeback on it. I don’t speak for anybody else but in my eyes that group lost most if not all credibility they had when complaining about harsh treatment by police and stewards there and then. And that is before you take into account some of the behaviours they have displayed on more than one occasion since then.
If they don’t want to be seen as ‘Green Brigade wannabes’ then don’t stand along side them greetin about the police when they attract attention for their bad behaviour and stick two fingers up to the club they support and the rest of your fellow fans in the process. And don’t release big chest-puffed-out statements about boycotts full of poor grammar and spelling and then deliver a half arsed attempt at a boycott like they did on Saturday.
Like I said in my first reply on this subject, everything about this episode is very Green Brigade.
You’re peddling that again…
We get you’re not in favour. And for your information they were pilloried for the action in plenty of circles. You’ll see it’s never happened again even when similar situations arose.
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1 hour ago, dennyc said:
Don't know the ins and outs of the dawn raids mentioned but if they were later found to be unjust and vindictive then that is a disgrace that needs to be highlighted. If there is also an issue with one particular individual within Fir Park then that also should be addressed. As with with any dispute that will likely only be resolved through discussion and common sense being applied by all parties. So I simply ask if any moves have been made to try and arrange a meeting to move things forward? If an approach has been made and the Club have declined such a meet, then that too is unacceptable. That said, any compromise cannot include the Club being seen to condone criminal acts.
As for fan behaviour. I remember not that long ago we were all up in arms when Celtic fans trashed Fir Park. The targets of our outrage included Stewards and Police for not taking immediate action and Officials of our Club who appeared reluctant to pursue matters with the football authorities and Celtic Football Club.
Is it not a bit hypocritical therefore to condemn Police, stewards and our own employees when action is taken against our own fans for similar anti social behaviour. Be it within football grounds or surrounding areas during match day. Behaviour which, despite repeated denials from a few on here, has been witnessed and commented upon by many fans who attend away games.
As for Motherwell passing information to the Authorities. Why shouldn't that be acceptable if the actions of some are damaging the standing of the Club and more seriously putting other fans at risk? Particularly if the Football Authorities are taking an interest. Surely our Board have a duty to act in the interest of the Club. Again liking it to the Celtic incident, there were plenty of folk asking for fans to be identified via CCTV and/or Celtic so that police action could be taken. And as someone posted earlier...if you break the Law don't be surprised if bad things happen.
And no David, I'm not a level above most. I doubt whether there is anybody on this forum who has not found themselves in trouble one way or another. Certainly not me. But I don't recall threatening fellow Motherwell fans (fact) or trashing pubs(allegedly as I did not witness that in person). And pyrotechnics were not really a thing at football when I was a youngster. But that does not mean fans should turn a blind eye to what is happening. And commenting on what they or I see is not an attempt to "put others down and appear a cut above". It is about highlighting disgusting, dangerous behaviour by a few that will drive fans away from games and ultimately damage our Club.
Your opening gambit is where they are.
Discussion is planned I hear, those wishing to chair are basing any talks on ‘social media’ output and not on behaviours including that of employee(s) so it’s felt by many the tone that will likely be taken. Think the requests by others to be represented who have no links to any group is pretty telling.
Those who are in support of the groups and action being taken aren’t disagreeing that groups should be complying with rules, the constant reference to release of pyro is for another debate, as I’ve mentioned issues are not inextricably linked.
Fairly balanced reply although off on a tangent for me.
Not in reply to yourself, anybody saying ‘lobbing flares into your own support’ give off heavy Pinocchio vibes.
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1 hour ago, Big Stall said:
Parochial in as far as i have zero knowledge of what has went on, then thats correct.
Are you suggesting the police has asked the club for information and we have handed it over?
You’re on the right track…
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33 minutes ago, Big Stall said:
We assume it, because most of us who are casual observers 'assume' that the police are in general there to serve and enforce the law.
If you or anyone else has evidence to suggest something different then by all means, let us and the media know about it.
Assuming (again) that dawn raids have been happening, why do the bois have a beef with the club? Surely they should be protesting outside the police station? Unless of course we sent Butcher and Bevis down to kick someones door in
How parochial.
Any ‘beef’ is due an employee offering information on numerous occasions that has lead to zero convictions whilst innocent parties (as ruled by the judiciary) have been subject to dawn raids of late amongst other unusual practise.
It’s not just that section of our support having issue, plenty with no links have registered complaint too.
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7 minutes ago, Robbos boy said:
Seems I've hut a nerve with the Bold David, who quotes keyboard warrior pish, then posts a version of war and peace. For someone who stated he had no knowledge of the bois etc, you did find it necessary to start the topic?????. As for you going of in one as regards previous dealings with the Police, its clearly obvious from your reply that you have had and perhaps your opinion is blighted. Personally I also don't give a flying F---K about your opinion, all I think is if the Bois don't settle down and stop the nonsense, especially the throwing of Pyros, then someone will get a major injury soon, either a fan or god help us a player or steward etc. To finish, calm down, calm down, I take it it wasn't you who torched his hand throwing a pyro at Kirkcaldy. There needs to be a solution, but when the group majority think that one individual is the problem and not them, then sorry can't see one.
Hysteria. At least keep your point of view factual?
You are correct, there needs to be a solution - assuming the majority think that one individual is the problem and not them isn’t the case no matter how many times you & others tell yourselves.
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41 minutes ago, dennyc said:
Perhaps he does not fancy the abuse or threats that go the way of those that dare to speak up at games.
If the viewpoint is constructive why not?
Not going into the rights and wrongs, abuse or threats isn’t a good look - I’m of the opinion incidents of that nature are few and far between.
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He may well have the ear of some at the club. Plenty involved in academy and parents won’t entertain that thinking…