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1 hour ago, pretzel said:
Is that more conjecture? The young ones had a big banner displayed at the front and back of their section pre match which ran the full length, Rangers fans placed their protest cards on the seats pre match. No one group got more access than the other.
Conjecture? Not on my part. All that was said was ‘access granted to the away support’ which it was - in advance or not is nether here nor there. Don’t recall anybody mentioning one group gaining more access than the other?
For the avoidance of doubt, the representations to the club by many including those not in any of the groups & any protest isn’t down to no access to have displays.
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1 hour ago, pretzel said:
That was not the case, a group of them set up the protest cards as soon as they were allowed to enter the stadium. In the Fir Park section and the two sections on either side, you can see the cards being setup.
Semantics Mr Park. Entry to the ground with at least one box full of glossy copy paper isn’t exactly sneaking the stuff in so ‘access granted to the away support for a display’ isn’t an untruth.
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2 hours ago, Mccus28 said:
In your opinio ts a misnomer, in mine and others its utter fact which cant be disputed.
Its the last i'll say on the matter as im bored now
😂 ‘can’t be disputed’ yet, easily discounted.
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21 minutes ago, Mccus28 said:
So because its not your opinion its tired repetition, many many fans share my tired and repetitive view.
The bois can do no wrong in your eyes and as ive said, fair do's, carry on, makes not a jot of difference to me.
We wont agree but to start swearing on a forum at me due to a difference of opinion is kinda sad given that we support the same team but again, fair do's 🤷♂️
No bother precious.
To answer your question. My difference of opinion, informed or not, doesn’t make yours or other opinion ‘tired repetition’ - it’s the whataboutery of they did this, they did that & we don’t agree with is or we don’t agree with that. It’s not inextricably linked to the statements made or protest yet, some have it on rinse, repeat. Only asked for something different?
Dont know where “The bois can do no wrong in your eyes” chat comes from. I’ve already stated they’ve been censured and plenty of us remind them when required. You’re again linking the “bois” when in truth their input to what you claim is minimal if at all. That’s the facts…
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8 minutes ago, MJC said:
Funny you should say that, because that’s exactly the message that this entire ‘episode’ sent out, from the big long winded statement yesterday to the ham-fisted protest today.
So you say. Why then the representations being offered to the club from many in the fanbase who are not attached in any way to the group and concerned parents alike?
I’ve already said it wouldn’t be my choice of protest. It’s certainly a starting point. If it had disrupted the matchday experience of the holier than thou the same folk would moan instead of mockery.
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52 minutes ago, Mccus28 said:
Great argument 🤣🤣
Well, it ain’t difficult. Offer something that isn’t tired repetition?
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1 hour ago, pretzel said:
You constantly post on the forum with apparent in the know knowledge but you generally don't back up your claims and if anyone has a different opinion you belittle them.
When arrests were made from the Killie game, I seen the statements from the group suggesting one of the guys wasn't in the country. Has that been proven, because that old chestnut is used frequently when the cops come calling. I'm going back almost a decade here but when Celtic fans tore up the South Stand, when they were subjected to dawn raids that was the same spiel used.
It's seldom I have been privy to any Motherwell scoops or insider info but through my work I'm well versed to the goings on with this group amongst other similar things, even putting that to the side all the fans have eyes and see half of the antics they get up too. It seems like they just throw the toys out the pram when they don't get their own way.
The player analogy was simply to highlight if you do something wrong then you have to pay the price, tear up a business but play the victim card won't get you much support from the club or fellow fans. In fact I actually find some away days not as enjoyable these days if you get landed near them, they hang about until around three to gather then muscle into a section, this season they have forced a section to be opened at Raith, Killie and Livi.
Not much a protest today either as they gathered up the back, with many running down the stairs on the 3rd minute at the goal.
Constantly post on the forum with apparent in the know knowledge? But, I generally don't back up claims? Think you’ll find I can & do back up everything I say, it’s been remarked on here that I do also. I’ll say it again, don’t think I get any more than others, just better and it’s corroborated before I do post. In a manner that upsets a few, but, plenty & not just those who know me understand the why’s. I make no apology for that.
And if anyone has a different opinion you belittle them? Hand’s up, on occasion I have done, when it’s felt I should given the out there takes being replied to. Genuinely have taken stock of that and have refrained from doing so.
Its digressing from the topic though.
I’ve already said, some are only seeing what they want to see. If it doesn’t conform to how they think you should it’s all bad. Easy to discount from our points of view as everything may not be as it seems.
Player attack analogy was poor as it bore no relation to the idea of protest as made out in the statements. Nobody has disagreed with “if you do something wrong then you have to pay the price” of course! There has to be regulation or it’s chaos. What have they done though that’s wrong in this instance that’s required the public statements? Nothing you and a few others keep repeating on here. They are separate issue & not always by who you’re claiming to be carrying them out. Can’t reiterate that enough.
Not enjoying some awaydays is the curse of ineffective stewarding and policing in most cases I’m afraid, Reaction of some is again indigenous. Such is the make up of our away support and ground layouts it’s easy to remove yourself from the locale they choose, that’s a nod to the earlier sentiment.
Mock you may. Another nod to ineffective stewarding if they were allowed to gather up the back surely? Wouldn’t have been my choice of protest, either stay outside then enter at the agreed time or today could’ve been spent watching from afar giving trade to local business as there was live coverage and absence would receive greater coverage and give the powers that be something to focus on that isn’t as one sided offered to them by someone screaming “Woah! Look at me!”
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2 hours ago, Spiderpig said:
So who invades the pitch from that section in the ground then, sets flares off, winds up the stewards, etc, etc if not the "bois"? We all watch it from other parts of Fir Park or away grounds and any "Stupid behaviour" as you put it always seems to emanate from them, is there a special Troll squad within block E giving the others a bad name?
It’s been said before, obvious some watching what they want to see.
Ain’t nobody condoning what you’re terming ‘stupid behaviour’ either and it’s certainly not the argument they’re having with a certain individual if you care to read statements published.
Certainly nothing tangible on offer from some usual suspects at anyrate except naysayers and happy clapping is good and those who don’t conform bad.
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56 minutes ago, Mccus28 said:
Aye ok then
Aye. OK. You added fuck all to any debate anyway.
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25 minutes ago, Mccus28 said:
Thats your opinion, you're clearly all for them and defend them good and bad so fair do's.
Ive seen the best of the bois whilst fund raising etc and ive seen the worst whilst they involve themselves in stupid behaviour both in and out of the stadium.
I think most fans would rather they didnt get involved in the stupid stuff, granted its only a small section of the bunch but please dont try and defend it as ive seen it with my own eyes.
How you can call it a myth that if they dont deal in disororder then the club employees or police wont bother them is a strange slant but again, fair do's 🤷♂️
Again, unfounded claims. The ‘bois’ involve themselves in stupid behaviour both in and out the stadium is a misnomer - suggests you know little despite seeing it with your own eyes.
I explained the reason that it’s myth as it has happened when no disorder of any kind was evident. Hardly a strange slant.
Problem been further compounded today we hear with access granted to the away support for a display.
Club owners should be taking note.
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14 minutes ago, Mccus28 said:
The support they give certainly adds to the atmosphere but things like the above statement and making themselves out to be victims whilst taking zero accountability for what they HAVE been involved in before/during and after matches over recent seasons doesnt make for great PR
Just support the team, don't get involved in fights, arranged or not, dont smuggle in flares etc that you know are illegal bla bla bla and neither Bob Park or the Police will take any negative involvement with you like the other 99% of the fans!!!!!!!!!!!
Your first statement not entirely true, plenty of evidence that they’ve taken accountability.
Can say what we want about them but Burrows & Russell were always a sensible go-between. They understood the aims and objectives and were supportive.
The second statement is myth. There’s also been plenty of events when not involved as you say that attempts to exert an undue control and influence by the club employee. Fully expect that would be the case moving forward too.
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1 hour ago, MJC said:
So when they as a group collectively decide to boycott the first fifteen minutes of a match at the ground of the club they support, or walk out as a group or disrupt matches by throwing stuff on to the park…is that them valuing their own status more or that of the club?
As I said there are decent guys in that group and I believe their intentions are good towards the club, but the saying goes “you are judged by the company you keep”.
To me that group have became a bit of a ‘Green brigade wannabe’ bunch over the last few years with their petty grievances and behaviour.
In your opinion? Maybe. I suspect most don’t agree both inside and outside. You don’t really get the jist of meaningful protest for starters.
Out of touch and a total lack of understanding.. Theres also a saying ‘for those who understand it needs no explanation, for those who do not, no explanation is possible’.
Fan culture has shifted immeasurably even since the inception of the group at the end of the East Stand. The generational gap between those in the East Stand, the naysayers and those in the boardroom is the real worry.
Do us a favour and leave out the “Green Brigade wannabe” references. It’s far removed from what’s been going on. I for one am glad political & religous belief is generally left outside the gates.
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27 minutes ago, MJC said:
It was the St.Johnstone game at the start of the season that they threw stuff on the park at the start of the second half, supposedly in protest about mistreatment they had received at St.Mirren the week before or something, happy to be corrected if wrong on that one.
I’ve said this before on here, I don’t like the Well Bois. There are obviously some decent lads in their section but a lot of them seem to value their status as a group more than the club itself and their behaviour at certain away grounds is questionable, to say the least. Not to mention invading the park and throwing objects, the latter of which has happened on more than one occasion from that area of FP in games against Rangers, hopefully we don’t see that today. And then when they inevitably attract unwanted attention due to the above they cry about heavy handed policing. Again, very Green Brigade.
Another nonsense statement from yourself.
You understand who the Well Bois are? It’s not difficult to grasp the demographic on how the end section is made up, largely 3 factions. It’s disingenuous to brand all the same. Yet, you don’t ‘like’.
Never once have they sought ‘to value their status more than the club itself’. There are plenty within the fanbase who have reminded them of that and they’ve grown stronger due that actively encouraged by the club. It would be anarchy without. Again, some just don’t want to recognise that.
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7 hours ago, pretzel said:
You would be surprised what I know on this issue but I'll leave that as vague as you do with your insider gossip.
It kind of reminds me of that time where a supporter lamps Jim Leighton on the pitch then he gets huckled by the police then days later when he gets banned for life he's complaining in a paper that the club didn't support him. The situation in Kilmarnock was embarrassing while it's sad an innocent person might have had an unpleasant wakeup call no accountability was taken on that behaviour they immediately passed the buck when people started to get busted.
It's not hard to just behave for 90 minutes at the game or en route to a stadium. Like I said previously I loved it in the past when they were all about the atmosphere.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but have they not now had issues with the last few safety officers. In regards to banners etc the club has generally been accommodating to them much more so than other clubs are to there fans.
Have they not a similar protest before where they strolled in late, plus I'm sure they done something against Aberdeen in the first VAR game where they threw that ticker tape stuff on the pitch.
Now you’ve got the insider gossip jibe off your chest, be as vague as you want. I still wouldn’t be surprised on what you know given your claims to be spurious at best.
I’m struggling to see where not standing idly by when innocent Motherwell fans were attacked as embarrassing. Not an endorsement for some behaviours, but, understand when they occur.
The attacking of an opposition player is poor analogy, where was it mentioned the club weren’t supporting this group? The actions of 2 club employees have angered a lot more than the group given the offers of information forthcoming.
Last few safety officers? I’m sure it’s only 2 they’ve had to deal with including the current incumbent adding his ex-colleague appointment. Wouldn’t expect there to be no problems given the shift in demographic and understandings as times move - there’s been censure when required and common ground found on many points. An appreciation. Some just don’t wish to recognise that.
It’s pretty telling that Society board/Club aren’t happy around social media output and not club employee behaviour. It’s evident from their train of thought they’ve lost control and don’t know what to do in the absence of brand management or CEO. Both parties have a buffer, not using it is on them.
Do the ego’s that know no bounds have carte blanche? Certainly feels like it. Certainly uneasy bedfellows given the Police Scotland links. Can you tell us how many of these wake up calls on information offered have lead to conviction?
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2 hours ago, pretzel said:
I'm sorry but I don't agree with them. The behaviour in Kilmarnock earlier in the season was appalling, CCTV footage was widely shared by Ayrshire and Lanarkshire police on social media of numerous fans smashing up a pub, heehaw to do with the club that certain individuals were subjected to dawn raids they were simply traced via that method.
They're having a go about being refused entry to the club but has there not been a few displays this season and plenty others in the past, one of which required pulleys over the support beams in the East Stand which was catered for. As for the Rangers game banner tomorrow, the feedback seems to be that they were free to display one but they were refused access to Fir Park to put it together which is fair enough. As far as I'm aware the drum has been to every home game this season, even the young ones in the Cooper stand have one these days, funnily enough I'm sure it was mentioned previously that the guy that they constantly moan about collects the drum at away games to stop it from getting stolen (Ironically enough some of the wee tadgers stole one off of Raith fans).
Maybe I'm just getting too old but I throughly enjoyed the atmosphere that they created when McCall was manager but these days its transcended into smoke bombs (we have been chased for cash to repair pitches etc), those ticker tape rolls that they have launched on the pitch delaying the game, fans entering the pitch from that section has risen or generally trying to be wee Stone Island hard men.
Tapping into a subject you know little of isn’t a surprise.
Bigger picture to what happened in Kilmarnock, you don’t have to scratch the surface much to get that information.
As for ‘heehaw to do with the club’ Police Scotland made it known it was in co-operation with the club - that authority being economical with the truth? It’s known who offered the name of the fan subject to one such raid who wasn’t even in the country at the time alleged, certainly wasn’t Police Scotland who back tracked.
’wee Stone Island hard men’ is awful chat.
Unfortunately, club employee in question has the ear of factions in the Society & Club boards and the same factions are unlikely to rock the boat for self interest. Protest is a last straw, united support can be a strong movement especially if they prove the society to be a busted flush.
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9 hours ago, weeyin said:
Kettlewell, Hammell and Kerr were all working with the academy. I thought Frail only has first team duties, basically taking over Chris Lucketti's old job.
Kettlewell wasn’t working with the academy, but, academy graduates.
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30 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:
That's a crisp suit the Kettle's got there.
It’s a Burrows cast off by the looks of it
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Off on a tangent there.
Some who have seen both in development teams are just of the opinion that showing belief where the player could make mistakes and learn in the first team environment have been missed. That’s been to Aberdeen’s gain thus far.
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Positive noises made at AGM.
I find our choice of development could have (may still do) realised transfer income akin to Aberdeen selling the kid Ramsay to Liverpool. The same player who went to pieces in front of the East Stand… twice.
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4 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:
Butcher as a holding midfielder and Cornelius working with him with his energy is a step in the right direction. If Goss is playing wide left then I would have preferred to see McKinstry or Crankshaw out there instead.
I’m not sure that’s how we’re setting up.
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4 minutes ago, Great Balls of Shire said:
Goss is definitely not a fans favourite but he can pass it , but obviously can't tackle...maybe butcher in there will help
Cornelius starting, to me , he can't pass or tackle but there doesn't seem the same outcry when he plays....tonight might be his night though
Let it go 😂 He’s in there to do some dirty work tonight which will require legs to nullify one of the opposition.
Theres a reason you’re not on the coaching staff.
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25 minutes ago, MJC said:
McKinstry still can’t get a start
Good to see So’D and Slattery benched
Going from that lineup it looks like McGinn at CB and Butcher in midfield.
Smart money on back 3
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37 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
Board meeting scheduled for today.
That’s not unusual, but, it’s being reported wrongly elsewhere.
Heavy Hands, Empty Stands...
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If the viewpoint is constructive why not?
Not going into the rights and wrongs, abuse or threats isn’t a good look - I’m of the opinion incidents of that nature are few and far between.