Kmcalpin

If that wasn't justification enough some "Well fans" in the South Stand threw missiles including seats.

Apologies, I didn't make myself clear enough. I don't condone such behaviour and I'll repeat what I wrote above " To be absolutely clear no player, including Tavernier, deserves to have missiles thrown at him". Tavernier did not deserve to be the target for missiles end of. However, football is a volatile game and sometimes you have to use a bit of old fashioned common sense because not everyone thinks or behaves rationally or in a cool headed way. We all know, and I presume opposition players also know, that the south end of the John Hunter Stand is where the Bois gather and its where incidents are most likely to occur. At such a location and in such an atmosphere you apply a bit of sense and know when to stop. The referee should also have been attuned to what was developing, but clearly wasn't. By way of illustration, years ago at Tynecastle, I recall our subs warming up in the goal mouth at half time. They weren't being in any way provocative. The Hearts fans went mental at them. The Police smartly ran onto the pitch and ordered the players to go back up the tunnel, which they did. It did not matter that the subs had done nothing wrong. In short if you can avoid trouble you do.

To those who didn't see the incidents. You see players steal yards at throw ins at every game. On this occasion however, the ball went out next to the corner flag. For the throw in Tavernier began to steal yards, and then more. At that point the crowd, and not just in the John Hunter Stand began to get worked up as it reached the ridiculous stage. Tavernier continuted to steal yet more yards. By this time he may have been say 7/8 yards from where the ball went out. From memory the referee then asked him to stop (I'm a little hazy about that). He ignored that warning then took another 2/3 yards. At that point we saw something getting thrown (too far away to make out what it was). We didn't appreciate that 2 objects were thrown. To be absolutely clear no player, including Tavernier, deserves to have missiles thrown at him. The culprits need to be dealt with or own own up end of. However both Tavernier and Nick Walsh need to look at their part in the incident, as their behaviour was a contributory factor. I assume thats why the fan(s) in the picture were worked up. Hope that clarifies it.

Read my post 2 up.

Just looked at the 3 goals that we lost in the TV highlights. All three can be attributed to rank poor defending not just individual errors. Indeed the TV clips show an array of poor defending, not just at the goals. As there's ben a fair bit of discussion about the goals here's my take. 1 No one individual's fault. The Rangers defender is allowed to advance far too far unmolested and given time and space to pick his pass. Arfield is afforded far too much time and space and Aldred's touch is poor. 2 Gillespie should never have thrown the ball to Dunne as that put him under immediate pressure. He in turn put Turnbull under pressure and he dithered. Again no-one was watching Arfield. 3 Arfield and Kamara are left in acres of space. Individual errors, to an extent yes. A common theme running through all three was poor off the ball awareness and marking / not working hard enough when not in possession. A bad day at the office but not the end of the world. Plenty of thought though for future training sessions and squad rebuilding.

The culprits who threw the lighter and a perfectly good pie should be tracked down and dealt with as its just not acceptable. However can you imagine the reaction if I went to a Police station and reported that someone threw a pie or lighter at me in a pub or concert venue? Would the media run with that story? Interesting also that the video clip on BBC did not show the run up to the missile incident. Tavernier was allowed by the referee to steal a good 6/7 metres at the throw in and, as Orinoco, wrote earlier, thats what precipitated the incident, wrong though it was. Nick Walsh's part in the incident should be examined also as he saw better than most of us what had happened and I hope he records that in his report, which we will never see. As expected the religious sectarian chanting (sung by thousands not tens or hundreds) has been deliberately suppressed by the media and no-one the Police, authorities or politicians have the balls or desire to do anything about it. Both incidents are not restricted to football but are indicative of the problems facing Scots Society as a whole but few will accept that.

A null vote from me I'm afraid.

Having watched more than my fair share of these debacles I'd say first and foremeost, lack of confidence and self belief. It was evident from 1230 today.

Agreed. A very useful lesson today I just hope its taken on board. To bang Ya Beezer!'s drum, for once, its highlighted that we badly need to bolster the defence and defensive midfield. Its no use standing still because our immediate rivals certainly won't. To those who bemoan our paltry budget and say its very difficult to source decent players just look at Livingston, who achieved a goalless draw at Parkhead yesterday and have conceded 10 less goals than us so far. Irrespective of impending big changes in midfield and up front we simply can't afford not to strengthen at the back.

Pretty much my take on it. Despite a fairly bright early period (in which we looked toothless up front) things just didn't seem right defensively as soon as the game kicked off. Overall Sevco deserved their 3-0 victory and truth be told it would have been far more if they'd punished us for all our defensive blunders and general defensive weakness. They weren't great up front but were a class above us in defence and in midfield. They worked far harder off the ball than we did and showed us no respect whatsover. Early doors we left too many gaps and simply didn't pressurise them when they had possession. Covering and marking was abysmal. We never looked comfortable with their high pressing game. The blunders, of which there must have been at least 8 or 9, were just one part of our game. We looked devoid of confidence and s**t scared of our opponents and defended far too deep. I just wonder if Gillespie was fully fit - hence the high number of poor throw outs. Attacking wise we began brightly and created several chances but just didn't have the ability to convert them. Main, despite being strong, was outmuscled by bigger guys and failed to make much impact. This type of line up just doesn't suit him. I was puzzled by the substitutions, although I agree they were required. If you're a few goals down why play without a striker? Scott should have been on sooner like half time and I'm afraid Frear is just too lightweight and made no impression. Tactics wise teams now have us sussed and we need a change of plan. Some positives though. In this kind of game its great to avoid red cards and injuries and we did. We were also matched against one of the best teams in Scotland and hopefully will have learnt more about our shortcomings. Again not so much about ability, but more about attitude, work rate and reliability. Nick Walsh? Shocking performance throughout.

It wouldn't be my priority but yes we could strengthen the defence. Our goalies are just fine. The central defence though lacks a bit of height as we've seen in recent games, but I think that the potential signing of Declan Gallagher will rectify that. The defence still requires better screening as we saw on Wednesday night but that might be down to Gorrin's absence and Campbell's inexperience. Left back? I'm coming round to your way of thinking in that we required an out and out left back.

At the time there was fair bit of debate about this on the media and in social media. Almost all non Rangers/Sevco fans referred to the new club as Sevco or something similar. Very quickly however media pundits, especially on the BBC began routinely referring to them as Rangers, a club with a continuous history. This was quite a sea change and very noticeable at the time. It later transpired that the BBC Trust had instructed its employees to do this. Debate was quickly quashed.

No real shocks. I suspected that we'd play Accies early to avoid a potential "relegation" party. Sorry sbcmfc.

Sevco will have do without Morelos and Kent who are both banned. No further word yet about Mark Gillespie, who allegedly has a dead leg.

I think we'll need at least one striker, depending on who moves on. Newell and Sammon will definitely leave. Johnson and Main may do so. That would only leave the relatively raw but promising James Scott.

Time now to kick this topic off.

Maybe time to start a 2019-20 Rebuild thread.

Yes, maybe aimed more at others, some of whom are not getting a game (ref Pie and Bovril). We have quite a few players who are likely to move on in the summer.

I no great fan of the SPFL but as usual I suspect that the TV companies and Police will delay matters. As Sinjy says the Celtic/Sevco game will determine other fixtures.

Interesting post match comments from Robbo (Ref: Casagolda and Captain Oats on P & B). He said that our play in the final third wasn't good enough but also said that any player with his eyes on other things (or words to that effect) wouldn't be selected post split. Presumably that comment referred to those moving on, of which there could be a few. Agree with Superward about McHugh. I'm not anti McHugh as he's done a decent job for us in the past but for me he's more suited to central defence and is limited in midfield.

Just watched the TV highlights. On admittedly limited evidence, Aberdeen seemed to outbattle our midfield. Their first goal was a fluke but the second was down to us defending too deeply and the third down to poor defensive cover. Hastie took his goal well but what a pass from Tait! Hopefully lessons will be learnt. Just hope too that Mark Gillespie is ok. He's done really well this season.

I suppose it depends on how the management rate Rohan Ferguson. Don't know much about him at all.

Tonight's results were pretty much as I expected and I don't envisage any further change in bottom six league positions or points totals before the split. If we go into the break a point behind St Johnstone and 2 in front of Livingston I'll be content. Our recent away form has been poor losing 3 out of 4 games, scoring 2 and losing 9 in the process. I assume that Gorrin was being rested and that change would have upset our midfield balance. Disappointing tonight to lose Gillespie and I just hope his injury isn't too bad. On the bright side, a chance to assess Rohan Ferguson, albeit for a short time, in a competitive but ultimately meaningless, fixture.

Probably. After the last game or two Gorrin has had his knee in an ice pack.

No cause for complaint certainly, as they played within the rules, but Hearts did field a far more experienced side. Their starting eleven had 189 Premiership appearances behind them compared to our 35. Edwards (112) and Morrison (25) as opposed to Donnelly (6) and Johnson (25). Their average age was about a year older than our lads. As others say its the system thats wrong.