Kmcalpin

Craig Reid?

I'm a bit disappointed myself. Apparently, he arrived under what is known as a "Development Loan", which means a player can be recalled before the end of the loan period, if he is required. I have no problem with that in principle. In Liam Grimshaw's case, the loan period was due to expire on Sunday evening. Given that he isn't required by Manchester United, as they don't have an injury crisis, I don't see what harm it would have caused, if he had stayed on until Sunday and then returned back south. I fail to believe that an extra 5 days would be a deal breaker in his move to another English club. As far as Jack Leitch is concerned, Mark McGhee mentioned at the Society evening last November that he didn't think he was ready for first team football. A bit strange given that the lad has had 15 starts and a good few appearances from the bench. Make of that what you will.

Thats news to me - I just wanted to sit with the group!

By all accounts Carswell has been pretty anonymous at St Mirren and hasn't impressed.

Pearo, Laing & Cadden in central midfield.

Or the other club will be paying more of his salary. Disappointed but in no way surprised.

Excellent suggestion which would cure the problem at source. Folks should remember that if any serious accident/incident occurred due to fans standing at the very back, the club would get hammered for it. I've always believed that if someone does you a favour, you don't abuse it.

At the end of the day standing at the game is prohibited and those who stand do so only on the basis of the club's goodwill.

A home tie and thats a good start. Hard but winnable game. Yes ICT beat us convincingly a couple of months ago but they certainly got a bit of luck that day.

I assume Accies couldn't adapt to a different kind of plastic pitch.

This.

I'm fairly sure that he's played in an under 20s game but don't know if that counts.

Despite pre match fears the pitch looked to be in relatively good condition and that's down to the efforts of our groundstaff - well done to them. Picking up on previous comments on Dom Thomas - he showed some very deft footwork and played well in flashes but on the whole made little actual impact on the game. As a few of us and MMcG have said he really needs to improve his final ball. A spell out on loan might help his development. Undoubtedly he's very talented but that skill needs to be more focused.

A good summing up as we said at the time. The game was won early on and we motored through the remainder of the 90 minutes. We did ease up a bit in the second half especially after Pearson was retired. Overall I'm happy with the result and performance.

You're very likely right but it really is a ludicrous situation isn't it. If areas around a football stadium are tricky then the game may be postponed but if they are tricky around a pub, club or swimming pool then they don't have to close. You'd have thought that the first places closed by Police would be pubs/clubs given that some punters would be unsteady on their feet even in dry conditions!

There's something in the argument about our national team declining. However its also true that other countries have improved. In a cut throat competitive environment its simple logic that if one team moves up another must move down. Many smaller countries have improved markedly and are no longer the Aunt Sallies they once were. The game itself has changed in that tactics have developed no end and teams are better organised. Its easy to identify admire the skills of a flamboyant striker but how easy is it to identify and admire the skills of a great defensive midfielder who doesn't need to tackle?

This will be down to the Police. I don't know if Police Scotland is more consistent in its "advice" than the previous regional forces were. In the recent past some forces ie Strathclyde took into account the state of car parks whilst others seemed to ignore them. A few years ago I recall a midweek cup game at Inverness which involved travelling in shocking conditions - freezing fog. The car park at the ground was in horrific condition - we had to wade ankle deep through slush, ice and puddles to gain access to the stadium. The Highland Police weren't concerned in the least. To cap it all we played rubbish and got beaten 2-0.

Many fans go on about a drop in quality but what are you comparing the standard with? If the comparison is limited to our own team, we've had a damn good sides in recent years, last season excepted. I can recall some absolutely dire teams in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s. The team under Alex McLeish was so bad I stopped going for several weeks. In more recent times, Maurice Malpas's side wasn't exactly world class. The current team is way superior to some of these dreadful sides. If its Scottish football in general then it depends on which teams you want to include in the comparison. Celtic are probably poorer as is Dundee United. However Hearts, Aberdeen, Ross County, Inverness and St Johnstone are probably at their strongest they've been in recent times. No. I'd say our current team isn't that bad.

Assessing attendance figures on an annual basis is fraught with difficulty. Yes, the cost of football has risen but so have other costs and yes the team played badly last season so no doubt these factors impacted on our attendance figure. Out of interest I checked back figures for 1970-71, 1971-72 and 1972-73. 1970-71 Average attendance 7,797. Rangers 17,500; Celtic 20,000; Aberdeen 10,000; St Johnstone 5,500. 1971-72 Average attendance 6,227. Rangers 20,000; Celtic 19,000; Aberdeen 6,251; Kilmarnock 3,774; Dundee United 2,234 1972-73 Average attendance 5,262. Rangers 22,000; Celtic 12,439; Aberdeen 4,500; Arbroath 2,330; Partick Thistle 3,080 So, yes attendances have dropped since WW2 due to changes in Society, the rise of alternative attractions etc etc. However, very often and in particular last season, much has depended on the opposition. Last season we had no Hearts, Hibs or Sevco. For the past few seasons we have entertained (I love that word) Ross County and Inverness who don't bring hordes of fans. Historically, before the rise of TV, the Old Firm as was, would be good for 35-40k fans a year. In the last few years that's dropped to about 16,000 fans a year. Big factors I would say are live TV, all seater stadia, and the nature of the opposition. There is no doubt that the demise of Rangers hit us hard as the club warned us it would do although the media use of the word Armageddon was OTT. Killie have also suffered badly. I still remain hopeful that long term we can increase our attendances but it'll be hard and will require imaginative thinking. We can learn from the USA but please no OTT razzamataz - that just isn't part of our culture. There are many other external factors too that need to be changed. Throughout our history fans have come and gone and that will never change. Folk attend Fir Park for a variety of reasons and I've learnt very recently, like within the past day or two, that some fans feel threatened or under attack from information overload. Others simply can't get enough and are demanding more and more information. In short analysis of our attendance figures is very complex.

To be meaningful, we should also look at the attendance graphs for other clubs. I'd also like to see attendance figures going back to the 1960s. The loss of Rangers, in purely financial terms, has been a blow in the past 3/4 years. In some years we had 4 home games against the former Old Firm but last season we only entertained Celtic once at Fir Park. So the figures need to be interpreted with caution. Figures this year will be up.

Good post. Yes MMcG did name Eric Dier. Given that there's been no news at all about Liam Grimshaw I suspect you're on the money - negotiations are continuing.

I don't know. Like you I don't think the boss has backed up his comments with his team selections. He did say though that Laing was a big powerful lad with a great future ahead of him as a midfield player. He picked out him, Dom Thomas and Dylan Mackin as the 3 young players most likely to make it. He did compare him to a midfielder with Spurs - his name meant nothing to me as I don't follow English football. Time will tell I guess.

Like today, there was always one or two dissenting voices and the support never agreed 100% between themselves on anything, well almost anything. In general the support would back the Chairman's view and even if the manager was in charge during a bad run of defeats they would not question the Chairman or the manager himself. They were different times and society was much different to what it is today. I can only ever recall my father leaving a game early maybe twice and on both occasions we were winning the games comfortably and for many that just wasn't what they wanted to see. Like today money was tight for many, and our fans wanted to see 2 evenly matched sides battle it out, with us winning of course. Interest in English football was very limited and those who did buy magazines like "Shoot" only did so for novelty value. Football like society in general has evolved and moved on especially since the late 70s and the arrival of Thatcherism. Up until then there was more camaraderie and less "whats in it for me" attitude. Interestingly though our attendances in the late 60s was usually between the 3,500 - 5,000 mark much what it is like today.

He played him in midfield a few weeks back and commented on it in the media after the game. Then, at the Society evening in November he commented that Laing had the potential and attributes to make a very good midfielder.

To a large, but not exclusive, extent its fans themselves who are demanding more information and clubs are simply reacting to this. Clubs are under more scrutiny now than ever before. When I first began going to Fir Park the vast majority of fans simply wouldn't dare to question Bobby Ancell's tactics or team selection. They were what they were. Likewise the running of the club was the sole prerogative of Mr Hepburn and his directors and again no-one would dare question how the club was run. If I'd gone to a game and dared to ask where a transfer fee had gone I'd have been met with icy stares. The world has moved on and new technology has changed football and life in general forever. My father and uncles were diehards but they would not discuss football outwith matchday, with the possible exception of Supporters Club meetings. They respected the Manager and Chairman and had 100% trust in both of them at all times. We'll never see those days again.