David

They'll have a valuation of what they believe he's worth, both fee-wise and wages-wise. If it doesn't work for the player then fair play, no harm, no foul. I don't think it's arrogance, it's probably that David believes he can get a better deal elsewhere, and that's his decision.

Quite. Anything that his representatives ask for, discuss or accept will be done on the players orders and knowledge. It could very well be that he's been curious to see exactly what Celtic were going to offer, and has thought "Yeah, I can probably better that elsewhere." He strikes me as a savvy, mature operator does Turnbull. He's no mug.

His representatives work for him. They won't be deciding squat without his approval.

You on the glue? How do you know there'll be "zero significant squad reinvestment" then? There's plenty of time in this window, and I'd wager we'll see some good players picked up between now and the close of the window.

Everyone says that until the reality of the offer being made hits home, both financially and professionally. Of course, the player himself doesn't have to sign for Celtic, he could knock them back. Also, it's all too easy for us fans to sit here on our laptops and claim that we'd tell Celtic to fuck off, or that we'd knock back this or that, but the people with the decisions to make have been charged by the club to do what's right for the clubs financial future. This isn't aimed at you personally, but I've seen others commenting that we should wait on a better offer and so forth, as if none of these factors have been considered by the people deemed qualified to run this side of things for the club. If we're accepting the Celtic offer freely, under no pressure from the player that he wants to speak to Celtic, it's being done for a reason. We can surmise that there's a load of English clubs just waiting in the wings waiting to throw cash at us, but how do we know this is the case? Maybe we've only received offers a good bit lower than our £3 million valuation, with no real signs that there's going to be an increase in interest? I've commented previously that we can all claim that Turnbull is worth x amount, but in reality it's the market that determines that, not us. He's worth what a club is willing to pay. As a fan I'd love to see Turnbull here again next season, but if I was in charge I'd certainly be considering that he's coming off a season in great form, and that he may not replicate that next season, meaning it may be best to strike while the iron is hot. I don't know how many times we're going to have a player that gets us £3 million or thereabouts, but it's money that could change the financial situation at the club in a fairly substantial way.

What if Turnbull fancies the move though?

Yeah, but it wouldn't be up to just you, same as it's not just Burrow's call. There are other people involved, namely the player himself.

I sense that you're allowing emotions to cloud your judgement on this, which is fair enough. I'd rather he went elsewhere too, but the realist in me knows that the club are doing what's best for us as a club. As far as a loan player coming in from Celtic, if Robinson wants him and he can add something to our team next season then I have no issues with it happening.

With all due respect, that's why you're not our CEO. You don't have to like someone or a particular company in order to do business with them. It's purely business, and companies and individuals who can't stand each other partake in business deals regularly. It really comes down to this. First of all, is the financial package acceptable to the club? And second, if there's any player being offered on loan, is it a player the manager believes could improve our side next season? If the answer is yes on both fronts, then you do the deal, irrespective of their track record of being bawbags.

You're being ridiculous.

That's true, but if it's a choice between refusing a player who could come here, plug a gap and do a really good job for 99% of our season just in case we meet Celtic in a cup game, or taking the player and incorporating him into a side that helps us finish 6th instead of 8th then I'd be happy enough to trust the managers judgement.

Well, I don't quite think that would be our main aim really, would it? We'd only take one of their players if we believe he could do us a turn next season. His development would be a by-product of us benefiting from having him in our team. From my perspective it would be like bringing in a Tom Aldred on loan. I didn't see that signing as us helping his parent club out, I saw that as us getting a player that we needed for a season.

Have they confirmed all of that though? The official club Tweet simply said that the club had agreed a fee with Celtic for the sale of David Turnbull. I've read amounts and talk of "achievable add-ons" in the media, but have the club officially confirmed or denied those stories? I know Burrows has said that the amount we receive will change the club forever and so forth, but again, has he actually confirmed an amount? I'm genuinely asking this, because I've not had time to follow everything that we've seen in the press due to work.

I don't think it hurts to let potential other suitors know that there's an offer in.

It's worth remembering that at the moment there's nothing to confirm, as the deal hasn't been done. The club can't really be making statements beyond what they already have regarding a transfer that's not finalised.

Those youngsters just need to accept the fact that they're probably nowhere near the player that Turnbull is. It's not as if Celtic are akin to Chelsea here, they've given youngsters a chance if they think they're good enough. McGregor and Forrest are two examples of that.

Regardless of where he goes, it looks like we're getting the much-touted £3 million, and then some add-ons apparently. That's going to change the game for us as a club, and that's something that's more important than one player.

Unless, of course, we agreed a fee in principle with the player when he signed his new deal? I wouldn't be surprised if the situation is that any club who bid a pre-agreed amount are then given permission to speak to the player.

If he'd stayed with us the best he could probably have hoped for was a League One side eventually, so it'll all work out in the end I guess.

Probably because we have agreed with the player on a fee where we'd allow him to talk to other clubs? Maybe Celtic are the first to reach that fee?

I think there's more to it than just wanting to punt our best youngsters. Personally, I was pleasantly surprised when he signed that new deal with us. I assumed he'd have waited until the end of the season and seen what offers he had. I've seen in mentioned that there may have been a "gentleman's agreement" of sorts regarding what size of bid would trigger us allowing him to go. We can't knock back that kind of dough, plus the lad may very well fancy moving on and trying his luck on a bigger stage.

He'll be 24 years old by the time his contract expires with Rangers, and he'll likely have no trouble finding a lower Premier or upper Championship club in Scotland afterwards. He'll also have pocketed a decent wedge in the process.

I'd wager that the players you mention are very much on the clubs radar. Until they're linked with the likes of Sunderland and Hearts, of course, at which point the chances of him coming here are pretty slim.

Are we happy to press reset every season? Unfortunately, if a players contract is up with us there's very little we can do to force them to stay, is there? Unless you're suggesting we offer these unknown quantities a two or three year deal rather than the usual one year offering?

I'm not quite sure why the media keep beating the "Turnbull to Celtic" angle outside of it being good clickbait for the masses. Anyone who's even had a slight gander at how Celtic are operating at the moment knows they're not going to spend serious dough this summer, especially not on a player who's position they're looking fairly well-stocked for at the moment. Any sensible reactions I've seen from their fanbase has run along the lines of "if he was available for a million to a million and a half then try to get him, if not we move on and try to buy for positions that we badly need to fill."