Emmjay

Doonside Tower????

A man with a bendy neck speaks.......

I couldn't hear anything for the Stockport fan behind me, in the POD stand. Honestly, I was deafened by this single foghorn. The away support chants were more audible after the penalty, but I felt overall, the singing/chanting was muted.

I didn't hear that.

I loved the game today. I'll leave the tactical talk to all the experts, but I thought we were a force to be reckoned with. And thanks to the Stockport support behind me. I was deafened in the first half, and amused in the second half. He was clearly a huge fan of Sutton, and I know for a fact that Whittaker is a donkey.......

There's a distinction between not liking the comments of a post, and deciding not to like a person who posts. Can you not tell the difference?? How can you form an opinion of a person you've never met?? That's one thing men seem to be much better at than women...oops...wrong thread!!

Loud and c-c-c-c-clear

Frazza is quite correct when he refers to what would have been unacceptable years ago, and is now commonplace. We don't challenge anymore because there is no point. Quite rightly, the insult of having no parents, or being born out of wedlock has been rendered useless. However, the paedophile insult won't ever in my opinion blend into anodyne, because the act is so terrible, the perpetrators are total scum, and to trivialise the situation by transferring it to football terraces is ill judged. The reaction is all important. The vehicle for producing the reaction is unacceptable. All this nonsense about mock outrage is fudging the argument. And who in their right mind would wade in amongst an adrenalin/alcohol/chemical infused crowd of testosterone fuelled males and ask them to stop singing???Gies a break!!!

There is another thread on this site where people are asking when should I take my kids to the game. I know some posters are saying they will hear as bad at school but if we are being honest do we really want our young kids coming up to us and sayiny " Dad what's a paedophile" I know I don't. I've quoted the above because I totally agree with the statement. But the reality is, that kids DO hear the most unsavoury things at school and process the information in their own way. I know I did. I've stated before that my father was a Steelman all his life, and I know that he would have used ripe language in the heat and passion of a game, and this would have been at a time when women generally didn't attend matches. So, historically, its been a situation where, appropriate to the times, anything went. However, there is a new low in sections of support from every team in the SPL. Its just thuggery with colours, and because we've become inured to it week in, week out, there's a reluctance to acknowledge that a line should be drawn in the sand. I've never understood the need to get bladdered before a game, to have to be told who scored, what happened on the pitch at a later time. But then, thats horses for courses. Sensitivity and standards are not neccessarily for older supporters, as some on this forum seem to think.And the minute someone has a go at standards of behaviour, the replies become personal and ridiculous.

Great score. Well done.

It doesn't alter the fact that the chanting was ill advised and inappropriate, and not worthy of a 'Well support.

...whit??

Jay, I wasn't being patronising(Pet)....... Listen...I live with juveniles who NEVER back down from ANY argument, whether its about taking their turn to clear plates off tables, replace toilet rolls, football, festivals, bands, music, who's turn it was to tidy up, where they sit in the car, who's turn it is to use the car, who left it without petrol, who ate the last biscuit, who didn't want boiled potatoes, ..the list is endless. I am opinionated about things I think are sensitive and ill advised. Yesterday's chanting was ill advised...thats all. And I know when folk refuse to budge from a discussion even when they know in their hearts they're wrong...

...as a person gets older and acquires more common sense and sensitivity, there is an awareness of consequence. It only takes a moment to have a quick overview, and a decision made in the heat of the moment, fuelled by drink, aggravated by peer pressure, and spurred on by bravado, brings those who chose to chant yesterday to the point where common sense meant nothing, and reaction meant everything. In my opinion, there is no middle ground. The Paedo chant/song was wrong. Those who defend it will eventually learn that maybe, just maybe, it was misguided. But knowing how much of a reaction its getting on the boards will only strengthen their resolve to remain unmoved. Mark McGhee will milk this situation, and the smokescreen this provides will help him to continue to do at Aberdeen what he did at Motherwell..and that was take money under false pretences...the minority played right into his barra!!

Thats all there is. Hope things work out for the best.

Got to be honest...when I realised my kids were going to be exposed to language and attitudes that I didn't neccesarily share, I had reservations about them going to football matches, but as has been stated, schools are excellent preparation for life!!!

The first match our oldest son was taken to was Motherwell-v-Rangers, about 19 years ago. He was three, and according to my husband, "gret" all the way through the first half, and was brought home sharpish... Our youngest daughter's first game was when she was eight, Well won one-nil(she can't remember who played...she'll be released frrom the stocks later), and she is a true fan. The bond she and her Dad have at the games is truly magical.

Good morning.

Where in Perth do you stay?? My daughter is in Brighton, and should be a 'Well fan....cos thats how she was brought up!!!!!

I agree with the recent comments. There is a tendency now to become mawkish, and overtly sentimental, a bit like the roadside tributes and football jerseys indicating the spot where a death has occured. We need to re-learn restraint, and realise that not everyone who throws flowers on to a hearse is sorrier or more sympathetic than the person quietly mourning in the background.

Such a tragedy. RIP.

Well...I like our Claret and Amber mascots. Gender friendly, highly visible, and photogenic. Squirrels are some other team's mascot.

A very moving and reflective piece of writing. How sad for his wife and young children. RIP.