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Booing a player onto the pitch is old firm level cringe. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Robinson will quit before he is fired, whenever that is. He’s nowhere near as bad as a lot of people think he is, and the club have a far higher opinion of him than most of us. It also costs money to fire managers. On one hand he is meeting the remit he was given (exceeded by some margin last year) under pretty tight constraints. On the other we can stay in 10th until the last game of the season then get relegated. So we need to be careful to spot the difference between inconsistency and freefall. So far we’ve been able to pull out results when things look bleak, and my guess is the board will gamble on that, pretty much the way that Hamilton have stuck with their guy for so long. And despite the “who cares who comes in, anyone’s better than him” attitude from those who have never let go of the disappointment of us taking him instead of a more sexy option, if the club makes the decision to fire him they better have a good option lined up. We all know that’s probably Lasley anyway, and I don’t know what that changes. The new manager would have the same restrictions as Robinson with recruitment, because it costs money to get rid of players and we know that it will be on a one out for one in basis if that happens. As with most managers, his recruitment has been a mixed bag. I think Carson, Gillespie, kipre, dunne, Hartley and Aldred have all been good. Tanner probably fits in that category, but we all seem to forget he was barely starting before his injury. His ability to sign a left back or a striker seems to be non existent though. My main frustration with our recruitment is probably more the fault of the club than the manager, and that’s our refusal to recruit Scottish players and our fascination with the English lower leagues. Overall, in the context of this season, I don’t see sacking him as something that makes a big difference, other than cheering up those who just don’t like him. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just the usual PSA: to get rid of a player you need to either pay up his contract or get someone else to sign him. My guess is that we don’t have the money to do the former for the 10 players that are probably going to get the “get him tae” treatment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

We were woeful. Don’t think anyone gets pass marks from that one. St Mirren were also terrible, and if there was a way for both teams to lose that would have been a fair result. It looks like we turned up thinking we already had the points, and that attitude only changed when they scored, and then we were screwed. We did almost snatch something in the last seconds, which would have been robbery, but at no point in the game did we look like we had a plan. We couldn’t even do the basics. Sticking on two more strikers was stupid, and made us worse. This was a game for someone like frear to offer something different, lumping the ball up to three guys who are pretty poor at winning the ball yielded the results most of us would have predicted. Bigi probably gets the blame for the loss because he pretty much gave them that goal, but to take the heat off anyone else in claret and amber for that display would be criminal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Seems excessive, managers complain about decisions all the time, and things are said in the heat of the moment. I think a single match would have been enough. Shame the refs still get to be shite though.

It was the manager who said 600k, and I’m not sure why that would go down, especially since all of his international appearances came after that statement. However, I’m not sure how the rule works regarding which club he goes to affecting the amount. It is possible we decide to sell him instead, and take less, but I don’t know why we’d do that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The lineup looked like we were rotating some players because we have 3 winnable games in the next week and a bit, 2 against the teams we’re fighting relegation against. The manager has also been clear that the younger players need to be managed carefully. This is what many of us expected, and it makes sense considering our injury record. The guys that came in have all had spells in the starting lineup this season, and Sammon played well in the last game against Celtic, so it was hardly like throwing in the kids. I’m sure none of those players thought we were throwing in the towel. The players put in the effort and were organized in large parts, but dunne looked bad at left back and he had a nightmare couple of minutes to give away the first two. The third looked weird, was it deflected? Going forward we didn’t offer much. I thought bowman was anonymous and did nothing to force his way into regular selection. Sammon worked hard and got in behind a few times (something we don’t tend to do) but was reluctant to shoot. If you want to pay almost thirty quid to sit in the away end at Celtic park when we’ve been barely watchable this season (never mind any good) that’s your choice, but I’m not sure what anyone was realistically expecting tonight.

I like Frear, but if Hastie is coming back it makes sense to move Frear on if something can be organized. Unless we move to one up front I don’t see us signing a real winger, it will more likely be a forward with pace or a wing back. It’s going to be an interesting January, we have a lot of players who can sign pre contracts, some of who might still be injured when their contracts are up. There is also the comment Robinson made about is being lucky if we could hold onto dunne, who would be a big loss. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Sounded like our commentator got a hard time from the saints fans, which I think is the first time I’ve ever heard a st Johnstone fan. He has a tendency to sugar coat our performances (magnificent), but it didn’t sound like they troubled us much. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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What were you expecting? Realistically? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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We have been terrible at Perth for a long long time, but maybe we can use our tendency to end (other teams) bad runs and turn this one around. I’ll take any performance that gets us a point or more. I’m on strong painkillers after oral surgery, so they’ll all look like pink elephants and unicorns to me anyway.

My “local” team would possibly be Atlanta utd (about 6 hours away) and they are getting crazy attendances in the 50k+ range, in only their second season. So the money is there. There are some players who would be standouts in our league, but others who wouldn’t get a game for us, summed up by the fact a team is excited about signing Andy rose. I’m the same as weeyin, I watch all sorts of football, but MLS just doesn’t work for me for some reason. Overall he gets to live where he and his family wants to, and gets to play at a decent level at the same time, so good move for him.

Nowhere near as bad as some folk make out, as is the case with many previous players who did that job, but wasn’t an ever present either so I don’t see this having a huge impact. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Now on our site - https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2018/12/10/andy-rose-to-sign-for-vancouver-whitecaps/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

He’s gone to Vancouver whitecaps, as announced by them. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Football can’t be compared to “normal” professions. For good or bad, there is the potential to earn a whole lot of money very quickly regardless of performance. You can leave Motherwell for English lower league nobodies and triple your salary for three years without even playing. After playing, unless you become a top manager or pundit, the same money just isn’t there and there are fewer jobs. So from a financial standpoint it makes sense to move if the opportunity arises. However, many young players know that it makes more footballing sense to get regular playing time, build a reputation, and reap the rewards of a bigger move a few years later, and actually playing games is why most got into the profession in the first place. Either way, I’ve never had a problem with players moving to maximize their income, that’s totally their business. Ideally the good ones stay and develop and the shore ones leave before we give them a contract, but that’s not how it works. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Was hard to see, but the whistle went before the shot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Game wasn’t great, but not anywhere near the dross we served up against livi in both games. Had we got a point out of that I think it would have been fair, as hearts weren’t a whole lot better outside of their long throw ins. They got their goal from a half decent cross that just fell their way, then they made as many chances as us after that. Even though we put on the pressure in the last 15 minutes we didn’t make a single chance all game. Our corners were poor, and and the long balls were pretty aimless. Berra strolled it. I thought bigi was really poor when he came on, with a lot of stray passes, but we had to try something as we had zero creativity. It would be nice to have at least one player in the team on the same wavelength as Turnbull, there were times where he showed great composure and got in a position to make a pass and there was nothing on. Thought McHugh had another good game (if we have a back three he needs to be in it), and dunne got through the full game, which is a bonus. Johnson went missing in the second half, he had a half chance where he should have laid off to Gorrin, but after that he disappeared. Results went our way at least, but the bottom 4 are now isolated. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That could potentially be a 442 with dunne at lb, but I’m pretty sure it will be a back three of McHugh, Aldred and Dunne. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Gillespie Grimshaw Aldred McHugh Dunne Tait Gorrin Turnbull Rose Main Johnson Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That was my thinking. We are going to have to rotate the team over the next month, and I think last night was a good opportunity to use Sammon. It may also put whoever comes back in on Saturday on notice, it will be on them to put in the performance that will keep them in the team. I’d assume that Hartley will be back in for Saturday, and dunne may be ready too. I wouldn’t be surprised if bowman is rotated in for Sammon, but I think it will more likely be main. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

As expected Celtic dominated large parts of the game, and we were lucky with that second goal being chalked off. Although we maybe deserved a little luck after losing two defenders in the first 15 minutes and losing a goal from Donnelly’s position while he was off injured. The penalty didn’t look as much of a stick on to me as it did to other folk, but compared to the pens Celtic normally get against us it was a stonewaller. Gillespie made a really good save and the follow up punch was excellent. I think we’ve seen enough to agree he was a good signing. We didn’t look like scoring, and in the main we played like a team that just got beat by livi and lost two defenders early, but we kept Celtic from making many clear chances and at 1-0 you’re always in the game and Johnson’s finish was superb. Shame that my screen froze just as he hit the shot, then I had to head to a meeting, so didn’t know how it ended up until well after! I thought Sammon did a decent job, particularly when he hasn’t had a sniff of the first team action in months, and was certainly no worse than some of the performances main and bowman have served up. Livingstone did himself no favors today, but it is still early in his career and I hope he takes the managers comments on board and comes back better. One thing in his defense is that he was probably caught cold coming on so early in a game he was only ever going to see action in if two defenders got injured. Tests like this are part and parcel of developing young players. Turnbull lost Christie for the goal, but a lot of folk have been losing Christie lately. Whether we deserved a point or not doesn’t matter, neither does the fact that Celtic were “there for the taking”, which is a myth anyway. The fact is we earned a point from a game most of us expected to be a total humping. The 4 points from the last 3 games is probably what some of us would have expected (or even hoped for), but maybe not in the order we ended up with. I’d like for us to not have to bounce back so often, but we know this season is about results and getting points wherever we can. Changing the football philosophy and half of the personnel at the club mid-season just isn’t going to happen. We budget for 10th and we’re getting what we paid for. Traditionally the teams that outperform their small budgets are the ones that avoid injuries and can field a consistent line up. It’s a sad day when some of our own fans seemed just as disappointed with our equalizer than some of the Celtic fans were. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

At the same time there is an article about how much Robinson wants Turnbull (a footballer) to sign a new deal. Turnbull must really love the club, as there is no other reason an actual ball playing midfielder would want to stay. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk