fatcalf Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Agree Fatcalf....................2nd place is all about the money. 3rd place is all about champions league. Take it all I say Aim for 2nd and 3rd isnae a bad consolation at all if we don't quite make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 If we can manage to scrape 2 victories from the Aberdeen and Kilmarnock games we could see ourselves in a great position. Some games for our close rivals coming up could help us. St Johnstone have some tough ones, St Mirren, hearts and Celtic which could see them drop a few points hearts with the Hibs derby game, St Johnstone, and aberdeen have 3 tough matches, Dundee Utd would probably seem to be the one to get closest to us althought hey do play rangers today but followed by games against hibs, dunfermline and aberdeen i don't see them dropping too many points basedon their recent run of form. However having said that aberdeen do seem to be a bit of a bogey team for them having beaten Utd twice already this season. So C"MON THE WELL lets get into thi sberdeen team and put another 3 points on the board!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplewell Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Dundee Utd would probably seem to be the one to get closest to us althought hey do play rangers today that doesnt seem to faze them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 we will probably be the only team that can't beat them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 we will probably be the only team that can't beat them Dundee Utd's style (i.e. bruisers that like to lump balls and players) matches up well against Rangers. They are always going to be more successful against that mob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Unless we win today that might not be the best result for us. Three points today though and it would be a fantastic afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ankles Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Unless we win today that might not be the best result for us. Three points today though and it would be a fantastic afternoon. Its a fantastic afternoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roly Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Dundee Utd's style (i.e. bruisers that like to lump balls and players) matches up well against Rangers. They are always going to be more successful against that mob. Who were the bruisers in that team today? Dillon I'll give you... I don't see any others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 the thing is the old firm see us a proper threat and treat us slightly differently to others in the spl. Rangers seem to raise their game, Celtic were ultra cautious last game, althought they probably dont need to. To beat Rangers we need to score first and have the officials on our side for once!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Who were the bruisers in that team today? Dillon I'll give you... I don't see any others. Every time we play them they try and stop us playing by brute force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Its a fantastic afternoon Perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Stand_Al Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 the thing is the old firm see us a proper threat and treat us slightly differently to others in the spl. Rangers seem to raise their game, Celtic were ultra cautious last game, althought they probably dont need to. To beat Rangers we need to score first and have the officials on our side for once!! Certainly possible to score first however to have the officials on our side for once is an impossible dream! It would be very easy to think its a conspiracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Stand_Al Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Breakdown in statistical terms: 1st - 4% + 13% = 17% 2nd - 4% + 11% = 15% 3rd - 4% + 5.5% = 9.5% 4th - 4% + 4.5% = 8.5% 5th - 4% + 4.0% = 8.0% 6th - 4% + 3.5% = 7.5% 7th - 4% + 3.0% = 7.0% 8th - 4% + 2.5% = 6.5% 9th - 4% + 2.0% = 6.0% 10th - 4% + 1.5% = 5.5% 11th - 4% + 1.0% = 5.0% 12th - 4% + 0.5% = 4.5% Last seasons split of prize money: Rangers......... £2,975,000 Celtic............... £2,625,000 Hearts............. £1,662,500 Dundee Utd... £1,487,500 Kilmarnock..... £1,400,000 Motherwell...... £1,312,250 Inverness........ £1,225,000 St Johnstone.. £1,137,500 Aberdeen........ £1,050,000 Hibs................. £962,500 St Mirren.......... £875,000 Hamilton......... £787,500 Right there is the all the proof you need to see how the old firm have carved the pot to suit themselves. They know they are going to finish 1st & 2nd and thereby only having a 2% difference in their prize money but then it drops a massive 5.5% for finishing 3rd. How can they justify such a difference between 2nd & 3rd when the rest of the league has no more than a 2% difference. You can guarantee if one of them was finishing 3rd regularly that 5.5% difference wouldn't be long in being abolished. Then they bitch & complain that there is no competition in Scottish football :wank: Just on a side note what part of the above table supports the view that we need a strong old firm for Scottish football to survive? And further proof if it were needed that if we have an opportunity to do so due to Rangers current woes then we need to get rid of the 11-1 voting structure needed to change such things as this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Certainly possible to score first however to have the officials on our side for once is an impossible dream! I'd be happy enough if they just weren't on anyone's side, the way it's supposed to be... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Well folks, the situation has came to the point where the unavoidable answer to this question must be a resounding AIM FOR SECOND!!!!!! The usual cop out of "take one game at at time" has finally reached the stage where that philosophy and "aim for second" are one in the same. There is no option now, we MUST aim for second. We win or draw on Saturday and we are in scond place. Although that only might be for a day but regardless, we are now in the siuation where one game at a time is aiming for second place. C'mon Ye Well !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 If we aim for second then finishing third will take care of itself. We have as good a chance as we'll ever have of doing it, so we have to go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_411 Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 If we take anything at all from Kilmarnock this Saturday then we're in second place with 2 games to the split. That is unbelievable, ten point deductions notwithstanding. In my eyes, it would be madness to think 3rd is a given, but just as careless to rule out finishing second. We're as good as Rangers, albeit we very rarely perform against them, and should be taking them to the wire for second place and the £900,000 difference in prize money. Anything else is defeatist. Killie showed today what a 'diddy' team can achieve. We need to believe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 From a mathematical perspective, worst case scenario would be that St J win there game in hand and go on to win there remaining 8 fixtures. Given that the gap would be 8 points then (8x3-8= 16pts) would bring about = 2/3rd with St J. So 5 wins and a draw would be the absolute most that we would have to do in the remaining 8 fixtures. Given that it is highly unlikely that St J will win all of there remaining fixtures I would think that something short of this will be enough. If D Utd turn out to be the main challengers again winning all of there remaining fixtures then it is 4 wins and a draw. Remember this is worst case scenario. I would suspect that 5 wins and a draw would be enough for 2nd given the current form of Rangers. Those figures will only get better with ever pt St J and Utd drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 For all the talk of finishing second has been 'banned' I bet yir boots Stuart McCall has it firmly in his sights. What is said to the media and what is said in the dressing room are sometimes very different. We are going for 2nd, I have no doubts, I just hope the age old lack of belief doesn't cost us, we are good enough no question and I think most of the support believe in the team as well. That £900K could set our club up for a good few years on it's own never mind the Champions League money. So it would be foolish not to go for it all out, we simply have to. The consolation of third place would have been everyones perfect scenario until recently so we have nothing to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 I'm still not sure what 'going for 2nd' means. It was obviously a special case post-split last year where McCall believed that keeping players fresh for the cup final was more important. This season he is sending out teams to win as many points as possible each week. Keep doing that and the league position will take care of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 ok here I go diving into the realms of fantasy but I'm a Mothrewell fan, what do you expect?? With upcoming games we have a chance to go into the post split fixtures 6 points ahead of Rangers. The post split games would then be a chance to widen that gap. Would love to finish up more than 10 points ahead of them But more than willing to take any amount ahead of them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 I'm still not sure what 'going for 2nd' means. It was obviously a special case post-split last year where McCall believed that keeping players fresh for the cup final was more important. This season he is sending out teams to win as many points as possible each week. Keep doing that and the league position will take care of itself. I agree with that weeyin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 ok here I go diving into the realms of fantasy but I'm a Mothrewell fan, what do you expect?? With upcoming games we have a chance to go into the post split fixtures 6 points ahead of Rangers. The post split games would then be a chance to widen that gap. Would love to finish up more than 10 points ahead of them But more than willing to take any amount ahead of them! I'll take 1 although goal difference would be sweet, unlikely but sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 We have 3 very winnable games left before the split, maximum return from these would see us go into the last 5 games at least 8 points in front of the 4th placed team (assuming StJ win all their games which is unlikely as they play Celtic at Parkhead the day after we play rangers) So if we have a lead of 8 or 11 points going into the split we are sorted, finishing Second would be great but 3rd gets the champions league spot and thats what we need to secure 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 That £900k difference for second place would meam such a huge difference to our prospects next season. We must do everything in our power to get it. Fairly sure the manager and Chief Executive will have discussed this at length! Not to mention it will also be £900k less in Rangers coffers. A £1.8 mill difference between us and them next season would be huge......if they're still in the league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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