wellfan Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, Spiderpig said: My main concern is that in 5 months time we will go through this whole nonsense again with another rebuild , we need stability and time to build a team, but only time will tell if we learn from previous mistakes and for me I don't think the current structure/ governance etc at the club is up to the challenge Given we’ve got a manager who doesn't have a fucking clue how to sign a proper striker, there's a good chance we could be spending the summer preparing for the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi-1991 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Just now, wellfan said: Given we’ve got a manager who doesn't have a fucking clue how to sign a proper striker, there's a good chance we could be spending the summer preparing for the Championship. This is it. Everyone keeps going on about stability but there fuck all we have seen that suggests we had it in the first place. "Canny keep sacking managers" aye, but doesnt mean we need to stick with one thats clearly in over his head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mccus28 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, wellfan said: Given we’ve got a manager who doesn't have a fucking clue how to sign a proper striker, there's a good chance we could be spending the summer preparing for the Championship. Loves a fullback though!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 If we do go down, at least we have an almost clean slate of a squad without any terrible contracts, and I don't think the management team is under contract past the summer either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 How long til KVV gets a strain ,a pulled muscle or a knee twist on that shiter of a pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 6 minutes ago, wellfan said: Given we’ve got a manager who doesn't have a fucking clue how to sign a proper striker, there's a good chance we could be spending the summer preparing for the Championship. The answer seems obvious, but I have to ask - what's a proper striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, fizoxy said: If we do go down, at least we have an almost clean slate of a squad without any terrible contracts, and I don't think the management team is under contract past the summer either. If we go down, and the current penny-pinching bean counters are still in charge, I am absolutely certain that they’ll reward Kettlewell with a 2-year deal because it'll be the easiest option. History doesn't lie, and fools don't learn from their mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Just now, bobbybingo said: The answer seems obvious, but I have to ask - what's a proper striker? At the very least, and given three went out the door, I could be forgiven for thinking that we might have signed someone with a bit more experience and profile to support Vale and Bair, but we got nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 5 minutes ago, stv said: How long til KVV gets a strain ,a pulled muscle or a knee twist on that shiter of a pitch. And don’t forget the suspensions after silly yellows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Just now, wellfan said: At the very least, and given three went out the door, I could be forgiven for thinking that we might have signed someone with a bit more experience and profile to support Vale and Bair, but we got nothing. Right, I thought you were referring to the summer too. Unless there's someone we haven't been informed about tonight, there's no way of spinning a strikeforce of Bair, Vale, Ferrie and Mr Glass as a deliberate choice. Once again, our survival will probably have as much to do with others' deficiencies as our own abilities. The 3 below us appear to have had shit windows too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 25 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Wilkinson is the one we had a choice on, but I think at the time of his move he was so far out of the picture that you can understand why he wanted away and we didnt want to stand in his way. He should never have been signed. Thats no reflection on him as there is a player in there. However he just didn't suit our style of play. That should have been known before he was invited to put pen to paper. Obika? We knew full well that he had serious injury problems. Why then give him a 2 year deal? Biereth? A year long loan with a club like Arsenal who have previous for recalling players - a bit risky. Bair - a long term project, who performed better than expected. Shaw - a panic signing. We are where we are with strikers, but I hope we have someone lined up to come in over the next few days. If we don't, thats a serious failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purestate Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Lots claiming to have followed the team/ football for years but still don't seem to have a f__king clue how squads and transfer windows work. Let me spelL it out to the angry idiots clambering for more and more forwards. We’ve scored 3 fewer goals than the team in 3rd but conceded 15 more. maybe the management team have concluded we can use the 6 forward players in first and development squad plus attacking midfield to get the goals but maybe, just maybe, the defence needs some better options. Yes it would be great to get an established striker who has been banging them in consistently at Scot Prem level and wants to try a new experience playing in front of a bunch of roasters (not you ppower obviously as you’ve already fkd off) but there probably aren’t many about. it’s all very well having an opinion but there are so many totally deluded on this forum 🫨 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, purestate said: Lots claiming to have followed the team/ football for years but still don't seem to have a f__king clue how squads and transfer windows work. Let me spelL it out to the angry idiots clambering for more and more forwards. We’ve scored 3 fewer goals than the team in 3rd but conceded 15 more. maybe the management team have concluded we can use the 6 forward players in first and development squad plus attacking midfield to get the goals but maybe, just maybe, the defence needs some better options. Yes it would be great to get an established striker who has been banging them in consistently at Scot Prem level and wants to try a new experience playing in front of a bunch of roasters (not you ppower obviously as you’ve already fkd off) but there probably aren’t many about. it’s all very well having an opinion but there are so many totally deluded on this forum 🫨 Your argument would make sense if we signed some experienced central defenders, but the reality is we have the same central defenders and a shitload of fullbacks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 34 minutes ago, wellgirl said: He said he saw potential in Bair. Just been reading through the posts on this topic and you’re all over it like a bad fitting suit. You seem to have a need to pass comment got on everything and I’ve yet to see anything constructive in your posts - which thankfully are brief - just having a pop at other posters whose views don’t conform to yours. You’d do well to remember that this is an open public forum and people are free to hold and express views different to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 We have 2 fit strikers (for the time being) so we are pretty much forced to play one up front, with one attacking option on the bench, and pray to God that no one gets injured or suspended, or that we have to make tactical changes during a game. Not addressing that issue is a total failure on the part of those that's job it is to build our squad. They have had plenty of time to do something about beireth, shaw , and Wilkinson going, but we dragged it to the last minute and it bit us on the arse. They are also responsible for signing obika, Shaw and Wilkinson. I'm fine with the other signings we've made, but we now have a bunch of full backs who might as well cross the ball to each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mccus28 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, purestate said: Lots claiming to have followed the team/ football for years but still don't seem to have a f__king clue how squads and transfer windows work. Let me spelL it out to the angry idiots clambering for more and more forwards. We’ve scored 3 fewer goals than the team in 3rd but conceded 15 more. maybe the management team have concluded we can use the 6 forward players in first and development squad plus attacking midfield to get the goals but maybe, just maybe, the defence needs some better options. Yes it would be great to get an established striker who has been banging them in consistently at Scot Prem level and wants to try a new experience playing in front of a bunch of roasters (not you ppower obviously as you’ve already fkd off) but there probably aren’t many about. it’s all very well having an opinion but there are so many totally deluded on this forum 🫨 Ehhhhh sorry to point out the glaring flaw in your rant but our joint top scorer and joint 2nd top scorer are away so I dont think its unreasonable to require some strikers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, purestate said: Lots claiming to have followed the team/ football for years but still don't seem to have a f__king clue how squads and transfer windows work. Let me spelL it out to the angry idiots clambering for more and more forwards. We’ve scored 3 fewer goals than the team in 3rd but conceded 15 more. Maybe the management team have concluded we can use the 6 forward players in first and development squad plus attacking midfield to get the goals but maybe, just maybe, the defence needs some better options. Yes it would be great to get an established striker who has been banging them in consistently at Scot Prem level and wants to try a new experience playing in front of a bunch of roasters (not you ppower obviously as you’ve already fkd off) but there probably aren’t many about. it’s all very well having an opinion but there are so many totally deluded on this forum 🫨 "I'm sure we'll get a 30 minute video in September explaining this whole shambles of a day." "Yep - there is no spin that can take away from the fact that we didn't manage to get a main striker in" "As others have said, I'm happy with the incomings, but not shoring up the forwards is piss poor. I'm not buying any hard luck stories either, this is an issue of competence, and we fucked it." "If Spittal gets injured then we might not score again this season" "Strap yourself in for a play-off defeat to Raith Rovers." "Looks like we’ve absolutely fucked it unless this Vale guy turns out to be decent." "I'm quite happy with all our incomings but the lack of a striker is absolutely shambolic when Mika left on the 18th of January." "Looks like we’ve fucked it. " "Looks like there's a lot of weight on Theo's shoulders now. If he gets us through the season without a relegation, I reckon we ought to get a statue up of him." These are quotes not from these boards but from the venerable patrons of P & B tonight. Their concerns, as are many of those on here, may be misplaced or premature, but they do demonstrate widespread concern. I know sourcing a striker is far, far from easy, but hopefully we'll hear something in the next day or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The African Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Perhaps it won’t be a popular opinion, but from this distance it looks like the unpleasant truth is that we currently have a budget which is below that required to survive long term in the Premiership. If this doesn’t change then it is a matter of “when” not “if” we find ourselves in the Championship. It looks as if we have been trying to do transfer business at a level that just doesn’t exist and therefore it is hardly surprising that we have failed to fill the obvious holes in our squad. Fair play to those involved for not squandering our limited resources on dead wood and filler but anyone can now see that we are running on a squad so thinly spread that any injuries or suspensions will make selection beyond interesting. Maybe that is just how things are in Scottish football and the Championship, or below, is our financial level. I like the idea of fan ownership, but it needs to be sustainable and the cringe inducing begging email suggests that those in charge have accepted that this is not the case. Perhaps we need to accept this too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purestate Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, wellfan said: Your argument would make sense if we signed some experienced central defenders, but the reality is we have the same central defenders and a shitload of fullbacks. Nope - as pointed out by a few we have older less mobile/dynamic players who can fit in with a central three. So perhaps the full backs are attempt to stop the crosses coming in and provide better forward support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 14 minutes ago, El Grew said: Just been reading through the posts on this topic and you’re all over it like a bad fitting suit. You seem to have a need to pass comment got on everything and I’ve yet to see anything constructive in your posts - which thankfully are brief - just having a pop at other posters whose views don’t conform to yours. You’d do well to remember that this is an open public forum and people are free to hold and express views different to you. Wow. Too right my posts are brief. Can't think why! If I didn't like someone's posts to the extent you don't like mine - I'd put them on ignore and keep them there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, purestate said: Nope - as pointed out by a few we have older less mobile/dynamic players who can fit in with a central three. So perhaps the full backs are attempt to stop the crosses coming in and provide better forward support. Square pegs into round holes, but okay. And does the multitude of fullbacks make up for the fact we didn't adequately replace three outgoing strikers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purestate Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 8 minutes ago, Mccus28 said: Ehhhhh sorry to point out the glaring flaw in your rant but our joint top scorer and joint 2nd top scorer are away so I dont think its unreasonable to require some strikers Wrong. Obviously Biereth , a now known quantity at our level would have been preferable, but Bair (6) and Spittal (5) are still at the club. Have a look at our goal scorers. Who knows if Vale can chip in but some seem to want to write him off already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mccus28 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, purestate said: Wrong. Obviously Biereth , a now known quantity at our level would have been preferable, but Bair (6) and Spittal (5) are still at the club. Have a look at our goal scorers. Who knows if Vale can chip in but some seem to want to write him off already. Which is why i said "joint" so not wrong but carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, wellfan said: Square pegs into round holes, but okay. And does the multitude of fullbacks makes up for the fact we didn't properly replace three outgoing strikers? Purestate's assessment of our wing backs is pretty much spot on but did we need to sign so many? Could the wages being expended on one maybe have been used to up the offer to a striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purestate Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, wellfan said: Square pegs into round holes, but okay. And does the multitude of fullbacks make up for the fact we didn't adequately replace three outgoing strikers? Now that’s a reasonable question and my opinion is that the defence needs a new approach and so perhaps yes a more dynamic (basing on youth only I appreciate) can improve that side Also if we concede less then we can afford to score a little less but still win points. (My Hearts point but also plenty of the other teams above us) Also Vale doesn’t need to score any to adequately replace Shaw 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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