2024/25 Ins & Outs Discussion

[joewarkfanclub]

On the Turnbull v Miller debate.

Turnbull certainly had more impact with his goals but he didnt debut until 18.

Millers has already played 50 games at the same age so his ceiling is probably far higher.

[Yabba's Turd]

8 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Brian McLair certainly signed for us after being at Aston Villa youths but I had to go and check about Faddy as I had never heard of the Hearts link.

We seem to be the only team listed on his youth career from aged 15. But there is an article in the Daily Record saying that he had signed S-forms with Hearts but was training with us. In the interview Faddy says he was training at Motherwell from aged 12. So no idea what the actual situation was with Hearts?

Yeah Faddy is murky 

[weeyin]

For me, Gary McAllister's still the standard for success in recent times.. After we set him on the road with his first winner's medal (Scottish First Division) he won the English First Division - before the EPL was invented - the FA Cup, the League Cup and, of course, was instrumental in helping Liverpool win the UEFA Cup.

 

[Mccus28]

Turnbull for me but as others have said, Miller is younger.

Turnbulls impact in games was brilliant to watch.

[Stuwell2]

21 hours ago, weeyin said:

For me, Gary McAllister's still the standard for success in recent times.. After we set him on the road with his first winner's medal (Scottish First Division) he won the English First Division - before the EPL was invented - the FA Cup, the League Cup and, of course, was instrumental in helping Liverpool win the UEFA Cup.

 

Recent times? The guys the same age as me, left Motherwell in 1985, 39 years ago - reminds me of the time I was talking to my kids about the miners strike and said you must have covered this in modern studies and they said don’t be daft it’s more than 30 years ago - that’s done in history!  

Apart from that, he was definitely the best midfielder we’ve produced in my time watching Motherwell and that’s taking nothing away from DT and LM. 

[weeyin]

Ian St John is my cut-off.

Anything after his move to Liverpool = recent

Anything prior to his move to Liverpool = before my time.

(Although sometimes I split it between post SPL and pre SPL).

[Yabba's Turd]

I still think we recently won the 1st division with Davie Hay in charge

[weeyin]

5 minutes ago, Yabba's Turd said:

I still think we recently won the 1st division with Davie Hay in charge

Exactly.

I've got a leather jacket I still call "my new one"

I bought it in 2003.

[SteelmaninOZ]

On 11/13/2024 at 7:03 AM, grizzlyg said:

No chance he will be at ibrox. Wayyyyyy out their budget

Their budget is flying high with a red flag  🚩

[stv]

On 11/15/2024 at 12:04 AM, weeyin said:

Exactly.

I've got a leather jacket I still call "my new one"

I bought it in 2003.

It's probably about time you started calling it vintage.

[grizzlyg]

On 11/15/2024 at 12:04 AM, weeyin said:

Exactly.

I've got a leather jacket I still call "my new one"

I bought it in 2003.

I tell jokes I first told in 2003...🤪

[weeyin]

I know it's a slow news week thanks to the international break, but the amount of column inches being used to talk up Miller moving to the OF is ridiculous, even by West Coast media standards.

EDIT: did I really say "West Coast" media standards? Been living here too long. I really meant "West of Scotland"

[David]

29 minutes ago, weeyin said:

I know it's a slow news week thanks to the international break, but the amount of column inches being used to talk up Miller moving to the OF is ridiculous, even by West Coast media standards.

Look at it from a positive aspect though. It means he's being actively discussed in the media, and any actual serious contenders will be seeing the figures floated about and will know they likely have to at least match or more likely exceed them. 

I'm happy enough to see him get the headlines.

[weeyin]

That's true - it's just the assumption that it's the OF that will be his dream move that grates.

Although I appreciate that is largely clickbait to engage their target readership. 

[dennyc]

I would like to ask the journalists where they got 'Motherwell value LM at around £4m' from. Did anyone from the Club actually say that? Who? Or are they quoting that figure to ease the way for the Clubs they really care about.

Smells like the push there was in the media to get John McGinn to Celtic at a bargain price. Hibs held out and eventually got a better price with better add ons from Aston Villa.

[weeyin]

1 hour ago, dennyc said:

I would like to ask the journalists where they got 'Motherwell value LM at around £4m' from. Did anyone from the Club actually say that? Who? Or are they quoting that figure to ease the way for the Clubs they really care about.

I've no doubt they heard someone from the club say they think Miller is worth more than Turnbull, so they just rounded up the fee we got for him to the next nearest million.

[well_said]

24 minutes ago, weeyin said:

I've no doubt they heard someone from the club say they think Miller is worth more than Turnbull, so they just rounded up the fee we got for him to the next nearest million.

You are giving the smsm far too much credit , they are too busy with their noses up the old firm arses to bother about the other clubs in this country. Virtually every football story they report on has an element relating to the old firm wether it's relevant or not.

[Spiderpig]

12 hours ago, dennyc said:

I would like to ask the journalists where they got 'Motherwell value LM at around £4m' from. Did anyone from the Club actually say that? Who? Or are they quoting that figure to ease the way for the Clubs they really care about.

Smells like the push there was in the media to get John McGinn to Celtic at a bargain price. Hibs held out and eventually got a better price with better add ons from Aston Villa.

Time for the new board and CEO to step up and take charge with a minimum £6 million fee to start negotiating. 

[thewelllfan]

With January coming up.

I'd be looking at moving a few on.

Callahan needs moved on. Taveres needs sent back to Hibs. Koutrombis could do with a loan. 

I'd consider recalling Stuperavic who's scored a fair few on loan at Morton. But we do have lots of options in that position so some would have to make way for this to be viable.

I'd be bringing a pacey RW in January as Kettlewell's prefered formation against the better teams is 5-4-1.

Also do we have an idea when we'll be seeing Slattery and Nicholson again.

I'd also be moving on/Returning 1 of Watt, Robinson, Ebiye or Vale we have to many attackers and could use the wage to bring an attacking midfielder that could help us get in the top 6.

 

[stv]

Can I chip in with the train fare back to Hibs for Traveres and a six pack of Tennants to enjoy on the way there .

[David]

At this stage I'd likely look at moving on from Tavares and Vale. Robinson is someone else I'd maybe look to move on, but with a deal until May 2026 it may prove difficult. 

As for Tony Watt, I think there's a player in there. He just needs a run of games and probably a proper pre-season. I'd keep him around.

[Cameron_Mcd]

13 minutes ago, David said:

At this stage I'd likely look at moving on from Tavares and Vale. Robinson is someone else I'd maybe look to move on, but with a deal until May 2026 it may prove difficult. 

As for Tony Watt, I think there's a player in there. He just needs a run of games and probably a proper pre-season. I'd keep him around.

Punt Tavares/Watt, if someone wants to take Robinson off of our hands then that works out but I don't see that happening 

Vale I'd keep, he'd be good for a bit of energy and pace in the last 15/20 minutes in games.

[wellfan]

Other than Stama, who deserves/needs a bit more time to get up to speed, as well as requires a formation designed to play to his strengths, I’d be looking for some wholesale changes in the January window, where feasible.

Robinson - move on, not good enough

Tavares - punt back to Hibs

Vale - not worth the risk

Moses - keep for chaos factor

Maswanhise - lifetime contract

Watt - give him a run of games, he can be useful

Nicholson is also listed as a forward on the squad page, so I guess we need to factor him into these thoughts, although I see him more as an attacking midfielder.

And then there’s the boys out on loan: Stupa, L. Ross, and Ferrie. I’d keep them all out on loan, particularly the latter as I just don’t think he’s got it at this level.

Who are we bringing in? Any rumours? Which positions? 

 

[Big Stall]

3 hours ago, David said:

At this stage I'd likely look at moving on from Tavares and Vale. Robinson is someone else I'd maybe look to move on, but with a deal until May 2026 it may prove difficult. 

As for Tony Watt, I think there's a player in there. He just needs a run of games and probably a proper pre-season. I'd keep him around.

If Watt was the Watt we had a few years ago then i would agree, however Fat Tony has turned up and shown the square root of heehaw when hes been on. Bye bye......

Vale did enough for me last season to suggest 'when played in the correct position' he offers a good option. If he is nearing fitness i would keep him. If hes still some way away, then send him back.

[David]

2 hours ago, Big Stall said:

If Watt was the Watt we had a few years ago then i would agree, however Fat Tony has turned up and shown the square root of heehaw when hes been on. Bye bye......

Vale did enough for me last season to suggest 'when played in the correct position' he offers a good option. If he is nearing fitness i would keep him. If hes still some way away, then send him back.

The issue is that Watt is likely to stay in this form as long as he only gets the occasional 15-20 minutes here and there, especially given he didn’t have much of a pre-season or any real match time before joining us.

If we want to see the Tony Watt we had a few years ago, we need to play him regularly and allow him to find his rhythm and get match fit. What’s clear is that there’s a player in there. It all comes down to whether we’re prepared to give him the game time to rediscover that form.