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Happy Dosser Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 15 hours ago, SteelmaninOZ said: This is good I see our our claret and amber are explained as being Lord Hamilton of Dalzell's racing colours. Others claim we simply copied Bradford City's C&A, and this sounds plausible since they played first in yoked shirts and then stripes and so did we after we changed from blue (presumably because the latter was a common jersey in Scotland) in 1913. Anyone know anything definitive on the subject? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Happy Dosser said: I see our our claret and amber are explained as being Lord Hamilton of Dalzell's racing colours. Others claim we simply copied Bradford City's C&A, and this sounds plausible since they played first in yoked shirts and then stripes and so did we after we changed from blue (presumably because the latter was a common jersey in Scotland) in 1913. Anyone know anything definitive on the subject? The racing colours story was first relayed to me when I was wee by my late father, who began attending games in the late 1920s. He recounted that Lord Hamilton gifted us the land for Fir Park, as long as we adopted his racing colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said: The racing colours story was first relayed to me when I was wee by my late father, who began attending games in the late 1920s. He recounted that Lord Hamilton gifted us the land for Fir Park, as long as we adopted his racing colours. Yes, I've heard that before and that's what the video also said but other explanations are available, apparently 😂. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 The racing colours thing sounds more plausible to me. Changing colours is a huge thing and would need something major to justify it. A condition of being donated land to create a new Stadium comes across as more likely than adopting an English team's colours. Then again, maybe Lord Hamilton was a bid Bradford fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, dennyc said: The racing colours thing sounds more plausible to me. Changing colours is a huge thing and would need something major to justify it. A condition of being donated land to create a new Stadium comes across as more likely than adopting an English team's colours. Then again, maybe Lord Hamilton was a bid Bradford fan. I actually have an enquiry pending at the Jockey Club regarding Lord Hamilton of Dalzell's racing colours. In my defence, I am retired and don't get out much, apart from my visits to Fir Park and GP 😱. Sometimes on holiday I have encounter Bradford City fans who are convince we nicked their colours, so i would like something categorical about our beautiful c&a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 I did a quick google search on racing colours once before and the Lord Hamilton colours I found from around that time were either Red & White or Blue. Hardly definitive, so will be interesting to hear the definitive answer from the Jockey Club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 Lord Hamilton colours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 6 minutes ago, weeyin said: I did a quick google search on racing colours once before and the Lord Hamilton colours I found from around that time were either Red & White or Blue. Hardly definitive, so will be interesting to hear the definitive answer from the Jockey Club. If I get a reply from the JC I will let you know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago To all interested parties in the Lord Hamilton of Dalzell racing colours discussion: I used the Jockey Club database to find his racing colours and they reflect the heraldic colours posted above by dennyc, i.e. red and white. Perhaps it's no surprise that Hamilton Accies play in hoops in these colours but there is clearly no link with our claret and amber. This makes it more likely that our colours were "inspired" by/copied from Bradford City's, particulary since we followed their C&A yoke design with stripes in those colours. It was only from 1928 that the two clubs' strips diverged and we chose our iconic hoop. Hope this helps..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted 21 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Happy Dosser said: To all interested parties in the Lord Hamilton of Dalzell racing colours discussion: I used the Jockey Club database to find his racing colours and they reflect the heraldic colours posted above by dennyc, i.e. red and white. Perhaps it's no surprise that Hamilton Accies play in hoops in these colours but there is clearly no link with our claret and amber. This makes it more likely that our colours were "inspired" by/copied from Bradford City's, particulary since we followed their C&A yoke design with stripes in those colours. It was only from 1928 that the two clubs' strips diverged and we chose our iconic hoop. Hope this helps..... Well done pal 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted 12 hours ago Report Share Posted 12 hours ago 9 hours ago, Happy Dosser said: To all interested parties in the Lord Hamilton of Dalzell racing colours discussion: I used the Jockey Club database to find his racing colours and they reflect the heraldic colours posted above by dennyc, i.e. red and white. Perhaps it's no surprise that Hamilton Accies play in hoops in these colours but there is clearly no link with our claret and amber. This makes it more likely that our colours were "inspired" by/copied from Bradford City's, particulary since we followed their C&A yoke design with stripes in those colours. It was only from 1928 that the two clubs' strips diverged and we chose our iconic hoop. Hope this helps..... Well done. A sound piece of research that seems as definitive as anything I've come across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago 34 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Well done. A sound piece of research that seems as definitive as anything I've come across. Thanks: I had originally contacted an individual at the jockey club with my enquiry but I got no reply so decided to use their own database, which I subsequently discovered after a few clicks. It's actually very interesting to an old weirdo like me. If Accies' colours are derived from LHoD's racing colours it would explain why (as the only professional British side to evolve from a school team, allegedly) they did not use the academy's blue and green colours (though this has been a change strip on occasion for HA, I believe). Anyone interested in comparing MFC's strips with Bradford City's over the years should consult Historical Football Kits, a fascinating website which I think our own underboyleheating (much missed) contributed valuably to over the years. Ironically, both my father and grandfather were Accies' fans (and the latter was chairman of HAFC for many years). My dear old dad used to say their colours were officially cerise and French grey but i think he was pulling my leg 😂. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago It now raises the interesting (to me at least) question - if we did copy Bradford City, why choose them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 4 minutes ago, weeyin said: It now raises the interesting (to me at least) question - if we did copy Bradford City, why choose them? I might speculate that their winning of the FA Cup in 1911 created quite a splash and their unusual colours (unique, even, in England) might have attracted Motherwell, whose original blue shirt meant quite a lot of changes in a season because it was such a common jersey in Scotland. I have nothing conclusive to back this up, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 48 minutes ago, Happy Dosser said: I might speculate that their winning of the FA Cup in 1911 created quite a splash and their unusual colours (unique, even, in England) might have attracted Motherwell, whose original blue shirt meant quite a lot of changes in a season because it was such a common jersey in Scotland. I have nothing conclusive to back this up, however. That sounds like a reasonable guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Dosser Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago Just noticed my dad was on the right track with his cerise and French grey comment. Between 1908 and 1913 Accies actually played in these muted colours, which HFK states were the racing colours of the Duke of Hamilton (note, not of Hamilton of Dalzell): https://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Scottish_Football_League/Hamilton_Academical/Hamilton_Academical.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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