wellfan Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 29 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said: Here we go… the gaffer said Yet another predictably poor performance and defeat where zero personal responsibility is taken by Kettlewell in the aftermath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, MJC said: Anyone who claims that us qualifying for Europe is better than us getting to the latter stages of the Cups is either lying or is more interested in the Tartan Army style jaunt abroad and swally session than the club and football itself. You look at the League Cup Semi Final and the excitement ahead of that and the crowd we took there and you could see what it meant to the support and the club. Nobody is telling me that ‘Europe’ is better than that. Semi Finals and Finals are what it is all about supporting a so called diddy team , if not that then beating one half of the Glasgow teams is second best I watched highlights of the 1991 tennents sixes on youtube recently and better watch than some of our Euro experiences 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 48 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said: Here we go… the gaffer said 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩 hope the rumours on P& B bout casey haveing a go at him bout the tactics is true ? We will know next week if heez not playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, wellgirl said: Seriously. You don't like the guy - that's obvious. But why on earth would you think that Casey is going to be having a go at Kettlewell just because of "rumours" on pie and bov. I like Casey but he's made enough mistakes of his own over the piece. I was making a statement of what i read on P&B that ok with you ? if casey keeps getting told to do the same thing and its not working why would he not ASK ? and your right i dont particulary like him but as long as heez manager we need to live with it but it doesnt change the FACT. His tactics are 💩💩💩💩 so whats your mext question ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 19 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said: Semi Finals and Finals are what it is all about supporting a so called diddy team , if not that then beating one half of the Glasgow teams is second best I watched highlights of the 1991 tennents sixes on youtube recently and better watch than some of our Euro experiences The support that we’ve taken to the last few games at Hampden both this season and way back in 17/18 and even further back in the 10/11 season show that those games mean so much more to the core support and also the ‘potential’ support. Getting to that stage in either of the domestic Cups just providers a general lift to everyone. ‘Europe’ on the other hand is good for the club on paper but it’s a level we can’t even make a scratch at. But hey, it’s some experience and a lot of fun eh? ”Big leap to the right! Yaaaaasssss!!! Big leap to the left! Yaaaasssss!!! We’re all goin on a European tour! Yaaaaasssss” Win draw or lose we booze! Yaaasssss!!!!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 5 minutes ago, smiddy said: I was making a statement of what i read on P&B that ok with you ? if casey keeps getting told to do the same thing and its not working why would he not ASK ? and your right i dont particulary like him but as long as heez manager we need to live with it but it doesnt change the FACT. His tactics are 💩💩💩💩 so whats your mext question ???? I keep hearing about hoofball, do.you think.some of these players can play any other way? They can't play through the middle so they're going to kick it long. We've some good footballers but they've been out injured or are just coming back....missing Miller , Seddonand Stam now ...I think Nicholson, Masa and Slattery can play but the rest are just chasing the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, wellon said: I keep hearing about hoofball, do.you think.some of these players can play any other way? They can't play through the middle so they're going to kick it long. We've some good footballers but they've been out injured or are just coming back....missing Miller , Seddonand Stam now ...I think Nicholson, Masa and Slattery can play but the rest are just chasing the ball. If they cant play any other way do you think we shouldv signed them. ? and if they cant play with the ball at there feet and there head up looking for the next pass welll jesus christ that basic acadamy football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Seriously. You don't like the guy - that's obvious. But why on earth would you think that Casey is going to be having a go at Kettlewell just because of "rumours" on pie and bov. I like Casey but he's made enough mistakes of his own over the piece. Casey was horrendous today and was rightly hooked. Casey is an old fashioned Centre Back and nothing more. Asking him to play on the right of a back three with responsibility for covering wide right and with no support from a right wing back who appears to have decided defensive duties are not for him is madness. And that is down to Kettlewell. Same applies to the left side. Every opponent we play targets those wide areas for good reason. If Casey was having a go at Kettlewell for repeatedly sending out a formation that exposes him and others, and fails week after week, then good for him. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 11 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I don't have any more questions for you. Casey has been a bombscare at times. As have other defenders. Are you seriously trying to say that when defenders get caught out at a goal it's all on tactics. Come on. Yeah - Kettlewell has his faults - but he's not the only person at fault here - funny that the players always seem to get a free pass. Btw apparently all opinions on here are welcome - so you keep expressing yours and I'll keep expressing mine Have you got it in for me ??? cause you seem to come back on me all the time , you maybe need to get out more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, dennyc said: Casey was horrendous today and was rightly hooked. Casey is an old fashioned Centre Back and nothing more. Asking him to play on the right of a back three with responsibility for covering wide right and with no support from a right wing back who appears to have decided defensive duties are not for him is madness. And that is down to Kettlewell. Same applies to the left side. Every opponent we play targets those wide areas for good reason. If Casey was having a go at Kettlewell for repeatedly sending out a formation that exposes him and others, and fails week after week, then good for him. Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppower Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Quite clearly it isn't all down to Kettlewell but he sets the team up and how he expects them to play. Yes, the players also have to accept criticism for their performance too. Every game without fail we have around 30% possession. In the first half today St Johnstone had 72% possession. The ball is continually hoofed up the park in the hope that we can feed of scraps. We don't score enough goals and I think we have kept one clean sheet all season. Our last 12 games, we have won 3 lost 7 and drawn 2. Scored 13 goals and conceded 24. We are only 7 points above the playoff and the teams around us are all picking up points. We are the the ugliest football playing team in the league and that sits at Kettlewells door. If people want to watch the non football that is being served up and accept that as long we finish at least 3rd bottom every season to stay in the Premier League then fine. Kettlewell has accomplished that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, ppower said: Quite clearly it isn't all down to Kettlewell but he sets the team up and how he expects them to play. Yes, the players also have to accept criticism for their performance too. Every game without fail we have around 30% possession. In the first half today St Johnstone had 72% possession. The ball is continually hoofed up the park in the hope that we can feed of scraps. We don't score enough goals and I think we have kept one clean sheet all season. Our last 12 games, we have won 3 lost 7 and drawn 2. Scored 13 goals and conceded 24. We are only 7 points above the playoff and the teams around us are all picking up points. We are the the ugliest football playing team in the league and that sits at Kettlewells door. If people want to watch the non football that is being served up and accept that as long we finish at least 3rd bottom every season to stay in the Premier League then fine. Kettlewell has accomplished that. Yi canny say hoof on here 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 5 minutes ago, smiddy said: If they cant play any other way do you think we shouldv signed them. ? and if they cant play with the ball at there feet and there head up looking for the next pass welll jesus christ that basic acadamy football Because all of our " better players" are injured or have been injured , when that happens it's down to our lesser players, which for a club like ours is pretty mediocre. At one point today davor, sod and koutrombis were warming up in front of me...that's just 3 wasted wages imo. The management team need to sort that out and the question needs to be asked why did we sign/ resign these guys.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 11 minutes ago, MJC said: The support that we’ve taken to the last few games at Hampden both this season and way back in 17/18 and even further back in the 10/11 season show that those games mean so much more to the core support and also the ‘potential’ support. Getting to that stage in either of the domestic Cups just providers a general lift to everyone. ‘Europe’ on the other hand is good for the club on paper but it’s a level we can’t even make a scratch at. But hey, it’s some experience and a lot of fun eh? ”Big leap to the right! Yaaaaasssss!!! Big leap to the left! Yaaaasssss!!! We’re all goin on a European tour! Yaaaaasssss” Win draw or lose we booze! Yaaasssss!!!!” Did you ever go on any of the European adventures Athens for the champions league, Katowice, Dortmund, Nancy were 4 of the great ones that will be long remembered, so much better an experience than a predictable loss to either of the ugly sisters in a final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZT_1886 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 But that's just rumour on pie and bov and that was my point. Nothing more than that. I just don't like to see someone being kicked all over the place (this isn't aimed at you). If Kettlewell goes fair enough but in two years time I can guarantee you folk will be shouting for the next person to go if they don't meet our standards Agree re Kettlewell. It was the same with Hammell, Alexander and towards the end of Robinson’s time. I want him to do well but it’s hard having watched the last few games. Hearts, Kilmarnock and Hibs are 3 hard away games so I was giving him the benefit of doubt but today was a winnable game and the manner of the defeat makes it hard to not be critical of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 32 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Seriously. You don't like the guy - that's obvious. But why on earth would you think that Casey is going to be having a go at Kettlewell just because of "rumours" on pie and bov. I like Casey but he's made enough mistakes of his own over the piece. Correct , Caseys a fuckin bombscare and was utter pish today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, wellgirl said: I actually don't have it in for you. I think I've responded to two of your posts. I need to get out more - you're making this personal. Not me. Well all ask you this have you played a lot of football in your life ? have you been in a changing room before a game with a manager dishing out all his instructions ? or do you base all write on what you read ? just simple questions, that if you answer no to the first 2 then, carry on talking your talk but just block me cause a dont really want to keep trying to justify to you what i write 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 13 minutes ago, MJC said: The support that we’ve taken to the last few games at Hampden both this season and way back in 17/18 and even further back in the 10/11 season show that those games mean so much more to the core support and also the ‘potential’ support. Getting to that stage in either of the domestic Cups just providers a general lift to everyone. ‘Europe’ on the other hand is good for the club on paper but it’s a level we can’t even make a scratch at. But hey, it’s some experience and a lot of fun eh? ”Big leap to the right! Yaaaaasssss!!! Big leap to the left! Yaaaasssss!!! We’re all goin on a European tour! Yaaaaasssss” Win draw or lose we booze! Yaaasssss!!!!” Think your trying too hard here mjc. Other than 91 the nancy 2 days was up there and possibly next best experience in my 40 years or so supporting us. We also had 9/10k v odense at home 9k v olympiakos 6 and7k v other teams. Yes the results disappointed as usual but it was great times. Europe is great and semi finals and finals are also great. So my thoughts are enjoy them all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I've never asked you to justify a single thing you've posted on here - you're the person that made it personal - and I will block you if that's what you want. If you don't like being disagreed with that's not my problem You never answered ma 2 questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 5 minutes ago, wellgirl said: You asked me if I'm a footballer - are you having a laugh? And then you told me to get out more. Are you a footballer? So basically I can't have an opinion on here because I'm not a footballer? Ok. You clearly know better because you play football. Sorry that I'm a female that doesn't play football. My brother does though so I'll ask him and get back to you Naw naw naw dont move the goalposts the questions were relavent cause if you had been in a dressing room male or female you would understand what managers say b 4 games if youv never been in one then you wont ask your bro that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 24 minutes ago, wellgirl said: But that's just rumour on pie and bov and that was my point. Nothing more than that. I just don't like to see someone being kicked all over the place (this isn't aimed at you). If Kettlewell goes fair enough but in two years time I can guarantee you folk will be shouting for the next person to go if they don't meet our standards I think the majority of the 2000 or so Motherwell fans who were there today would support Casey if he did actually have a go at Kettlewell. in doing so they would not be excusing Casey's own abysmal performance but holding a Manager to account for what has now been dished up in four consecutive away performances. And at other times earlier in the season. As to the future if Kettlewell does leave, any new Manager will also be called out if fans are expected to suffer what we have seen in those four matches and others....... having had two years to build his own squad.. And why shouldn't he be? Like you, like many on here and in the stands I was supportive of Kettlewell when others were not so keen. As you have said, he earned leeway. Injuries, VAR decisions, the youthfulness of some players and our league position have been touted in his defence. Valid to a degree. But enough is enough. Tynecastle was bad. Rugby Park was worse. Easter Road even worse. And then today. And by the way, every team has to deal with injuries and sometimes those injuries can appear overwhelming. That's why teams have a squad and why Boards support Managers in bringing in players as cover. Nobody can deny that SK has been supported in that manner. Again that maybe brings the focus onto the nature of players recruited. I keep hoping he will try something different in an effort to pick us up. Agreed, he does change the line up from time to time but nothing changes tactically or approach wise. If the squad is incapable of changing formation then that is down to the Management team that constructed the squad. Today straight from kick off we handed the initiative to a team adrift at the bottom of the league. A team you would think more fragile than us. I had hoped he would do things differently for once. Something that would encourage me to support him a bit longer. More fool me. Does anybody really think it will be any different next week? 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, dennyc said: I think the majority of the 2000 or so Motherwell fans who were there today would support Casey if he did actually have a go at Kettlewell. in doing so they would not be excusing Casey's own abysmal performance but holding a Manager to account for what has now been dished up in four consecutive away performances. And at other times earlier in the season. As to the future if Kettlewell does leave, any new Manager will also be called out if fans are expected to suffer what we have seen in those four matches and others....... having had two years to build his own squad.. And why shouldn't he be? Like you, like many on here and in the stands I was supportive of Kettlewell when others were not so keen. As you have said, he earned leeway. Injuries, VAR decisions, the youthfulness of some players and our league position have been touted in his defence. Valid to a degree. But enough is enough. Tynecastle was bad. Rugby Park was worse. Easter Road even worse. And then today. And by the way, every team has to deal with injuries and sometimes those injuries can appear overwhelming. That's why teams have a squad and why Boards support Managers in bringing in players as cover. Nobody can deny that SK has been supported in that manner. Again that maybe brings the focus onto the nature of players recruited. I keep hoping he will try something different in an effort to pick us up. Agreed, he does change the line up from time to time but nothing changes tactically or approach wise. If the squad is incapable of changing formation then that is down to the Management team that constructed the squad. Today straight from kick off we handed the initiative to a team adrift at the bottom of the league. A team you would think more fragile than us. I had hoped he would do things differently for once. Something that would encourage me to support him a bit longer. More fool me. Does anybody really think it will be any different next week? Away to RC shite, Away to Dundee shite, Away to St Mirren shite, Away to Celtic shite, Away to Hearts shite, Away to Killie shite, Away tom Hibs shite, Away to St J shite.. at home to Hibs fuckin abysmal.. we've been utter garbage a lot longer than 3 or 4 games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 8 minutes ago, dennyc said: Does anybody really think it will be any different next week? No. Kettlewell lives in his own head. His post-match interviews quite clearly demonstrate that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 I hope there has been words exchanged in the dressing room,there's some home truths needing to be heard from manager to players and vice versa,that was shocking yet again today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 I am still a supporter of Stuart Kettlewell, he has passion for the club which most recent managers have not had , Stephen Robinson not included The style of football recently is not going to get many others going to Fir Park, but it is what it is at the minute when everything is taken into consideration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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