Motherwell V Kilmarnock 14/05/2025

[SteelmaninOZ]

The gaffer said 

 

[grizzlyg]

Mcinnes agreed terms with jambos apparently,   my killie friend says fans are raging so should be good atmosphere on wed with killie fans and sunbed Del

[stv]

16 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Mcinnes agreed terms with jambos apparently,   my killie friend says fans are raging so should be good atmosphere on wed with killie fans and sunbed Del

Don't see attraction with McInnes, fired at Aberdeen , good season last year playing on a shite plastic pitch that no one else can play on , this year his teams been worse than us. Looks like a safe lazy un imaginative signing by Hearts. After their last two failures. Hope he's crap there n all.

[grizzlyg]

Let's get the songsheet out tomorrow with that middle of the road classic...."Where'sssssss your manager gone (Where's your manager gone) farrrrr far awayyyyyyy" 🤪🤪🤪

[wellsince75]

1 hour ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

If we win against Kilmarnock it would be our most league wins in a season since 2018-19.

Maybe you just need to find a new team during the close season.

If you actually look objectively at our performances over a five season period, under multiple managers and squads, there is very little variance on any metric - wins, loses, goals, goals against, points.

It's almost as if what you pay in wages is what you get on the pitch, at least in terms of ceiling.

Absolutely nothing to suggest next season we won't win between 10-14 matches, lose 15-17 matches and get 45-50 points just like every other season in recent history.

Yeah 14 wins & 50 points  is about the most we've managed in the last 10 seasons.   Feels like a lifetime ago that Mcall led us to 70 points. 

This is where I feel it's legit to challenge the club on its overall trajectory. Avoiding relegation seems to be the aim, being top flight for +40 years isn't showing any long term benefit. 

The data is quite telling . We've made top 6 on Ten Occasions since the current 12 team  format.  

In last 10 years we've only managed 3 occasions.  

2015/16 McGhee
2019/20 Covid season cut shot 
2021/22 Alexander 

 

Simply put we're regressing a club.

[stv]

5 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Let's get the songsheet out tomorrow with that middle of the road classic...."Where'sssssss your manager gone (Where's your manager gone) farrrrr far awayyyyyyy" 🤪🤪🤪

Na, just along the M8 I think 🤔 

[weeyin]

32 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Mcinnes agreed terms with jambos apparently,   my killie friend says fans are raging so should be good atmosphere on wed with killie fans and sunbed Del

I thought the Killie fans were fed up with McInnes and want him punted in the summer anyway,

[weeyin]

12 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

Yeah 14 wins & 50 points  is about the most we've managed in the last 10 seasons.   Feels like a lifetime ago that Mcall led us to 70 points. 

This is where I feel it's legit to challenge the club on its overall trajectory. Avoiding relegation seems to be the aim, being top flight for +40 years isn't showing any long term benefit. 

The data is quite telling . We've made top 6 on Ten Occasions since the current 12 team  format.  

In last 10 years we've only managed 3 occasions.  

2015/16 McGhee
2019/20 Covid season cut shot 
2021/22 Alexander 

 

Simply put we're regressing a club.

In the 12 team Scottish Premiership, our average position has been 7th.

So if we're regressing, it's towards the mean and been a pretty average season this year.

(In the 10 team SPL our average finish was 6th, so not much difference there other than 2 relegations).

 

 

[wellsince75]

6 minutes ago, weeyin said:

In the 12 team Scottish Premiership, our average position has been 7th.

So if we're regressing, it's towards the mean and been a pretty average season this year.

(In the 10 team SPL our average finish was 6th, so not much difference there other than 2 relegations).

 

 

Agreed , we're regressing towards our average position which isn't catastrophic. It's a shame though that we've gone from having a 50% success of getting top 6 to the more recent 33% success rate. 

Ideal outcome is something like Wimmer sticks around for 3+ years (akin to Butcher/McCall/Robinson) build strength and continuity. 

[Spiderpig]

38 minutes ago, weeyin said:

In the 12 team Scottish Premiership, our average position has been 7th.

So if we're regressing, it's towards the mean and been a pretty average season this year.

(In the 10 team SPL our average finish was 6th, so not much difference there other than 2 relegations).

 

 

In all honesty where do you see a club of our size in terms of fanbase and financial means progressing to as a club?

The ugly sisters, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs and probably Dundee untd are all much bigger clubs than us by those terms, so finishing 6th or 7th may be our level.

For me staying in the premiership by aiming for a top 6 finish and a possible shot at a Euro place, and a few decent cup runs would make for a decent season, anything above that is a bonus.

[wellgirl]

1 hour ago, wellsince75 said:

Yeah 14 wins & 50 points  is about the most we've managed in the last 10 seasons.   Feels like a lifetime ago that Mcall led us to 70 points. 

This is where I feel it's legit to challenge the club on its overall trajectory. Avoiding relegation seems to be the aim, being top flight for +40 years isn't showing any long term benefit. 

The data is quite telling . We've made top 6 on Ten Occasions since the current 12 team  format.  

In last 10 years we've only managed 3 occasions.  

2015/16 McGhee
2019/20 Covid season cut shot 
2021/22 Alexander 

 

Simply put we're regressing a club.

There's surely a benefit to not being relegated - not trying to be facetious here but if we went down for a club our size there's no guarantee that we would come straight back up. I also don't think we are regressing. It's fine margins. The league is tight and we've just missed out on a couple of occasions. Some people have said that the quality of players in previous years has been much better - but as someone pointed out the other day - even when we did have quality players -we ended up in a play off 

We are maybe stagnating. But I don't think we are regressing 

[joewarkfanclub]

1 hour ago, wellsince75 said:

Yeah 14 wins & 50 points  is about the most we've managed in the last 10 seasons.   Feels like a lifetime ago that Mcall led us to 70 points. 

This is where I feel it's legit to challenge the club on its overall trajectory. Avoiding relegation seems to be the aim, being top flight for +40 years isn't showing any long term benefit. 

The data is quite telling . We've made top 6 on Ten Occasions since the current 12 team  format.  

In last 10 years we've only managed 3 occasions.  

2015/16 McGhee
2019/20 Covid season cut shot 
2021/22 Alexander 

 

Simply put we're regressing a club.

The problem with the McCall years, for all they were great, was that those teams cost us a lot of money.

We had our highest league finishes in the modern era, but U believe we lost money due to the wages were paying particularly in squad bonuses.

Ultimately for a fan owned club, thats not sustainable.

I still think we can aim to do better than 8th but we need to spend our money more wisely.

We have wasted a helluva lot of cash in the last 5 years on players that havent contributed.

If we get smarter in the transfer market and run a smaller squad but with everyone staying fit and contributing, top 6 is still an achievable aspiration.

Just look at St Mirren.......

[grizzlyg]

1 hour ago, weeyin said:

I thought the Killie fans were fed up with McInnes and want him punted in the summer anyway,

They did.  You would never see our fans changing their mind constantly about a manager 🤪🤪

[wellsince75]

48 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

In all honesty where do you see a club of our size in terms of fanbase and financial means progressing to as a club?

The ugly sisters, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs and probably Dundee untd are all much bigger clubs than us by those terms, so finishing 6th or 7th may be our level.

For me staying in the premiership by aiming for a top 6 finish and a possible shot at a Euro place, and a few decent cup runs would make for a decent season, anything above that is a bonus.

Similar to you . Getting top 6 every other year with the occasional euro spot and or cup run

point is that was us but has become less us in the last 10ish years .

i think we need stability of leadership and move away from the merry go round of players . Add to that more focus on youth 

[Spiderpig]

55 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

 

i think we need stability of leadership and move away from the merry go round of players . Add to that more focus on youth 

Totally agree with more stability at the club both on and off the field, we should be building a team to last instead of replacing a majority of players every year.

The problem with youth is that from an academy of say 15 to 20 players you will be lucky if you get 1 or 2 that make the grade to become 1st team players. 

If they are good enough they will get their chance but we will always need experienced players to form the bulk of the team, this approach is pretty much he same for every team in the league

[Ya Bezzer!]

2 hours ago, wellsince75 said:

Yeah 14 wins & 50 points  is about the most we've managed in the last 10 seasons.   Feels like a lifetime ago that Mcall led us to 70 points. 

We played some good football during the McCall/Brown era but lost massive amounts of money.

It's simply not an option as a club model in the modern day.

 

 

 

 

 

[grizzlyg]

If you think I try to tell jokes some of killie fan comments hilarious.  Saying it's terrible and no loyalty but in same sentence saying style of football been terrible!! Quality