Our New Manager Who Do We Want....Again?

[fizoxy]

It's all speculation, nothing of substance has surfaced from the club or any potential applicants. 

[dennyc]

7 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Where's the evidence we are having talks with Scott Brown? Did he not rule himself out last time? 

There is no evidence we are talking to anyone. And credit to the Club for keeping matters under wraps. So this is just a general discussion about possibilities with various names thrown in.

[wellgirl]

1 minute ago, fizoxy said:

It's all speculation, nothing of substance has surfaced from the club or any potential applicants. 

Well quite. According to someone on Facebook who knows a "source" it's taking so long because we have had so many applications from overseas 

[wellgirl]

Just now, dennyc said:

There is no evidence we are talking to anyone. And credit to the Club for keeping matters under wraps. So this is just a general discussion about possibilities with various names thrown in.

I get that - but when folk say I think we are talking to this person - there's nothing to substantiate it 

Of course it's a general discussion. My point was there's nothing to suggest we are talking to Brown - did anyone think we were talking to Wimmer? 

[fizoxy]

I'd worry about the time it is taking once we're past this week, as that would put us on a longer timeline than when we got Wimmer, which also had the work permit time built in. 

The difficulty this time around is that nothing else is happening because it's the close season, and we announced a couple of signings already, so we're just all bored and waiting for info.

The other wrinkle is that we have a good chunk of the squad decided, and yet to realize any funds from a Miller sale, so there's no rush on that front. We also have pre season all sorted and organized, so not much to panic about.

[Kmcalpin]

35 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Where's the evidence we are having talks with Scott Brown? Did he not rule himself out last time? 

Absolutely none. It's just a general discussion about Scott Brown. I'd be surprised if he was being seriously considered. 

[wellgirl]

Just now, Kmcalpin said:

Absolutely none. It's just a general discussion about Scott Brown. I'd be surprised if he was being seriously considered. 

I would too. But if he was appointed I'd give him my support like Id give anyone offered the job 

[joewarkfanclub]

14 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

Was he ever ruled in?

Not by anyone with a Motherwell connection!

[joewarkfanclub]

Id rather have Scott Brown than Neilson. At least he has a bit of personality about him. I suspect it will be neither of them.

[El Grew]

5 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

Absolutely none. It's just a general discussion about Scott Brown. I'd be surprised if he was being seriously considered. 

Just wait and see.

[wellon]

12 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Id rather have Scott Brown than Neilson. At least he has a bit of personality about him. I suspect it will be neither of them.

Ach if it's neilson , give him a chance, don't want to do it without you .

[Spit_It_Out]

i honestly think its taking a wee bit of time because we are going down the exact same route as last time and its the old work permit holding things up again and i am good with that aslong as we have someone in place for the players coming back on the 18th then its fine and dandy.

After Wimmer it proves to me we can get a very very decent manager and dont have to settle for anything less  our Chairman seems to think out the box i like that i shall never compain about trying something different thats for sure.

[wellfan]

After the Wimmer debacle, I doubt the Board will take a chance on another unfamiliar foreigner who doesn’t live in Scotland. It may now seem a bit too risky. 

[David]

19 minutes ago, wellfan said:

After the Wimmer debacle, I doubt the Board will take a chance on another unfamiliar foreigner who doesn’t live in Scotland. It may now seem a bit too risky. 

The Wimmer situation was simply a case of bad luck. These things happen. What’s baffling is that some people still view overseas managers as though they’re strangers from another world, like we’re stuck in the late nineties. Football is more international now than it’s ever been. We should be focused on finding the right person for the role, regardless of where they come from. Their nationality shouldn’t matter.

[wellsince75]

10 minutes ago, David said:

The Wimmer situation was simply a case of bad luck. These things happen. What’s baffling is that some people still view overseas managers as though they’re strangers from another world, like we’re stuck in the late nineties. Football is more international now than it’s ever been. We should be focused on finding the right person for the role, regardless of where they come from. Their nationality shouldn’t matter.

A man with a young family living in a different country from said family isn’t purely bad luck . 
 

there was a level of risk - had the family been moving over etc etc then fine but to expect that to work and all be hunky dory isn’t just bad luck 

[weeyin]

6 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

A man with a young family living in a different country from said family isn’t purely bad luck . 
 

there was a level of risk - had the family been moving over etc etc then fine but to expect that to work and all be hunky dory isn’t just bad luck 

It is back luck, however, when you do your due diligence with the candidate, explore their domestic situation and get their buy-in to the needs of the job before they sign the contract.

In the footballing world, it's not unusual for managers to live apart from their families. Even Robinson used to fly back to Northern Ireland most weekends after the match and McGhee used to trek back to Brighton on a regular basis (which probably took longer than flying to Germany).

It's not risk free bringing in someone from overseas, but neither is hiring someone from the south of England.

[David]

9 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

A man with a young family living in a different country from said family isn’t purely bad luck . 

there was a level of risk - had the family been moving over etc etc then fine but to expect that to work and all be hunky dory isn’t just bad luck

I know a few things have been floated out there, but I don't believe that Wimmer left because he missed his family. There was more to it than that.

[wellfan]

17 minutes ago, David said:

The Wimmer situation was simply a case of bad luck. These things happen. What’s baffling is that some people still view overseas managers as though they’re strangers from another world, like we’re stuck in the late nineties. Football is more international now than it’s ever been. We should be focused on finding the right person for the role, regardless of where they come from. Their nationality shouldn’t matter.

That’s not what I said or implied, so don’t mischaracterise my point. My point was simply that the Board may now see it as too risky to appoint someone who doesn’t live in Scotland. The issue wasn’t that Wimmer was an unfamiliar foreigner, but rather that he wasn’t based in Scotland, which made it challenging for him to manage both the job and his personal life when issues arose back home. 

[David]

Just now, wellfan said:

That’s not what I said or implied, so don’t mischaracterise my point. My point was simply that the Board may now see it as too risky to appoint someone who doesn’t live in Scotland. The issue wasn’t that Wimmer was an unfamiliar foreigner, but rather that he wasn’t based in Scotland, which made it challenging for him to manage both the job and his personal life when issues arose back home. 

So, going by your reckoning, and as weeyin says above, a new manager who we recruit from the south of England would fall into the "unfamiliar foreigner" category.

[joewarkfanclub]

2 hours ago, wellon said:

Ach if it's neilson , give him a chance, don't want to do it without you .

I suspect Ive been wooshed here, but here goes......

Obviously I will give him a chance, as I would with any new manager.

Just some are more exciting than others. Doesnt necessarily mean they wont be any good.

Neilson knows the league and has experience at our level. Would probably keep us up. But his pressers would be boring as feck and his team would in all liklihood end up the same.

Brown may not be everyones cup of tea but he is a winner and wouldnt just give the usual stock answers to questions 

Could be a bumpier ride with him but it would undoubtedly be more fun.

Still hope we go for Wimmer MK2 though. The thought process was correct even if it didnt work out as planned.

 

[wellgirl]

12 minutes ago, David said:

I know a few things have been floated out there, but I don't believe that Wimmer left because he missed his family. There was more to it than that.

What do you think was more to it? I don't disagree with you - because I think it was all a bit off - him coming here and then leaving so suddenly - but he's said that and so have the club. Think the fans have a right to know 

[dennyc]

6 minutes ago, David said:

I know a few things have been floated out there, but I don't believe that Wimmer left because he missed his family. There was more to it than that.

It was written elsewhere...whether accurate or not...that Wimmer returned to Germany due to a serious illness in his family. There were more details given but it is a private matter so I am not going to expand further.

Regards where an employee lives, there are numerous examples of Clubs insisting that players and Staff live within a reasonable distance of the home ground. What is 'reasonable' can likely be negotiated. It might restrict who would be interested in the job but having been bitten once, perhaps we should consider that stipulation. Even if it does add to the cost to the Club by way of resettlement expenses. 

[David]

2 minutes ago, dennyc said:

It was written elsewhere...whether accurate or not...that Wimmer returned to Germany due to a serious illness in his family.

This is what I heard also, although not in any official capacity. And as you say, that is a private matter. 

What I am confident of is that it wasn't a case of him arriving at Motherwell and deciding he missed his family. He knew exactly what would be required, in the short-term at least, when it came to that side of things.

[wellgirl]

5 minutes ago, David said:

This is what I heard also, although not in any official capacity. And as you say, that is a private matter. 

What I am confident of is that it wasn't a case of him arriving at Motherwell and deciding he missed his family. He knew exactly what would be required, in the short-term at least, when it came to that side of things.

It was apparently his 11 year old son who was struggling with him being away. Which is fair enough. But the family illness issue has been posted publicly. Can't recall if it was in the official statement but it was out there on the Internet 

Edited to say the official statement just said major family issues - but it was posted somewhere, maybe pie and bov that a family member was unwell 

 

[wellfan]

1 hour ago, David said:

So, going by your reckoning, and as weeyin says above, a new manager who we recruit from the south of England would fall into the "unfamiliar foreigner" category.

If you want to keep misrepresenting my point, that’s your choice. But anyone reading what I actually said will see it for what it is.

To clarify once more: my view is that the Board might see appointing someone who currently lives in the south of England - or anywhere far away - as a risk. That concern has nothing to do with ethnicity or country of birth.

My reference to Wimmer as an unfamiliar foreigner was specifically in the context of him also not living in Scotland. And that’s exactly what he was to me. He was someone unfamiliar who lives far away in Germany.

For what it’s worth, I’d be happy with another unfamiliar foreigner, a Scotsman, or anyone else. My only preference is that they live relatively nearby. We don’t want a repeat of Wimmer. 

It’s obvious that you’re trying to misrepresent my original post above as xenophobic, and I’m not having it.