Celtic v Motherwell 05/10/2025

[johnstone]

1 hour ago, stv said:

We don't  really have to say its acceptable for the keeper passing the ball straight to an opposition player in our own box, for him to score and take all three points. It's basic stuff in his job description , probably rule no2 on what not to do in the goalkeeping manual. He's running out of chances.

But surely you would accept that our style of play means any gk who plays for us will potentially make the same error. 
 

I accept it’s a bad mistake but I am not sure what is achieved by hounding him out. 
 

like I said earlier he on numerous occasions broke their press with his passes to open up the play.

[texanwellfan]

28 minutes ago, johnstone said:

But surely you would accept that our style of play means any gk who plays for us will potentially make the same error. 
 

I accept it’s a bad mistake but I am not sure what is achieved by hounding him out. 
 

like I said earlier he on numerous occasions broke their press with his passes to open up the play.

I’m pretty sure JBA will not drop him and that we will see him versus Falkirk. 

[robsterwood]

3 hours ago, johnstone said:

This was never going to be instant success though. 

The manager keeps going on about the learning process here. Mistakes will be made. We just have to accept this.

I feel a lot on here are being way too critical of the team, you need to look at the bigger picture. 
 

 

I think that's a fair point. Think a lot of comments had been fuelled by emotion at way we lost without looking at bigger picture and greater understanding. I include myself in that too and will try to be more rational and positive. The other forum p and b is more balanced but I prefer it here.

[grizzlyg]

2 hours ago, johnstone said:

But surely you would accept that our style of play means any gk who plays for us will potentially make the same error. 
 

I accept it’s a bad mistake but I am not sure what is achieved by hounding him out. 
 

like I said earlier he on numerous occasions broke their press with his passes to open up the play.

I don't think anyone is hounding him out, I am certainly not but it's not the first big error he has made for us and it's very frustrating as I am loving this team and manager and the belief they have, we had no fear yesterday.  However we should be higher up the table.

I also acknowledge this sounds hypocritical as I have been on here non stop backing Stama when he wasn't scoring, 3 in 2 hopefully a Good sign.

No reason Ward cant turn things round but one more big error and ox deserves a chance, if he doesn't perform then sell him as still 18 months left on contract. 

COYW

[wellfan]

6 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:

Im not sure I agree with that.

If you look at the still, there is a clear pass to Watt, that if it comes off allows him to turn taking 5 Celtic players out the game and giving us a great opportunity to attack.

Ward makes a rickets of it, and you could argue the pass is too risky. But the manager has stated clearly numerous times that he wants us to take risks and thats what he likes.

I was happy to criticise Ward over the handling errors, as these are basic goalkeeping skills, but this isnt the same, and totally ignores the lack of options the manager has to deal with this without ripping up what we do. If fhe thought Ox was the answer he would have been in after the Killie game.

You can make any point by freezing a moment out of context. But I don’t think this proves anything beyond the fact that a 10-yard pass to Watt wasn’t an option. There’s playing the passing game, there’s giving hospital passes in your own six-yard box, and then there’s just making an arse of it.

[Stuwell2]

18 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

The luck they always have against us? is it luck. How many times have we lost games against Celtic in injury time over the last few years?

They don’t normally need luck against us and I never said they always have, those are your words not mine but yesterday they definitely got the breaks. 
Sometimes watching a game and a team gets a break I think they deserved that due to the way the team was playing but yesterday I didn’t. 

[Stuwell2]

8 hours ago, stv said:

We don't  really have to say it’s acceptable for the keeper passing the ball straight to an opposition player in our own box, for him to score and take all three points. It's basic stuff in his job description , probably rule no2 on what not to do in the goalkeeping manual. He's running out of chances.

You and I are looking at this from opposite angles, you see a pass to the opposition striker, I see a horrendous attempted pass (albeit under pressure - see picture above ) to a Motherwell player, the type of pass we see every week numerous times between outfield players be it by ourselves or on tv by another team which is groaned at but then forgotten unless it leads to a goal. By your criteria every player should be dropped after a misplaced pass or two. 
As I’ve said earlier McGregor made a mess of a shot and got a penalty while Ward messed up a pass and they got a goal. These things happen and are not a reason to crucify anyone. I’m sure Ward is more pissed off about it than anyone here and I’m also sure that his teammates, although gutted, stand by him 100%.
My only gripe about the incident is that Ward jumped and cursed himself for a couple of seconds before reacting instead of getting himself into a better position to face the shot. THAT is where he should be looking to improve in future. Misplaced passes will happen to players it’s how they react that matters. 
You also see that mistake as what gave Celtic the win, it wasn’t, they still needed another goal for that. 
Someone stated a statistic for the pass of 5% chance of success against 95% chance of failure, I’d love to see the data that backs that up because I’m sure every manager and his data analysts who sets up to play the way we do would bin that style of play if that’s not a pulled out of the arse statistic. 

[stv]

17 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

You and I are looking at this from opposite angles, you see a pass to the opposition striker, I see a horrendous attempted pass (albeit under pressure - see picture above ) to a Motherwell player, the type of pass we see every week numerous times between outfield players be it by ourselves or on tv by another team which is groaned at but then forgotten unless it leads to a goal. By your criteria every player should be dropped after a misplaced pass or two. 
As I’ve said earlier McGregor made a mess of a shot and got a penalty while Ward messed up a pass and they got a goal. These things happen and are not a reason to crucify anyone. I’m sure Ward is more pissed off about it than anyone here and I’m also sure that his teammates, although gutted, stand by him 100%.
My only gripe about the incident is that Ward jumped and cursed himself for a couple of seconds before reacting instead of getting himself into a better position to face the shot. THAT is where he should be looking to improve in future. Misplaced passes will happen to players it’s how they react that matters. 
You also see that mistake as what gave Celtic the win, it wasn’t, they still needed another goal for that. 
Someone stated a statistic for the pass of 5% chance of success against 95% chance of failure, I’d love to see the data that backs that up because I’m sure every manager and his data analysts who sets up to play the way we do would bin that style of play if that’s not a pulled out of the arse statistic. 

He has got previous for making a right mess of important moments in three matches now out of 7 played and we are no even 20% into the season yet. Ward needs to up his game and cut out the howlers pronto , or it could be a season of what ifs.