Katie Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 McGhee looked totally disinterested last night. A year ago last night we had just beaten Aberdeen 3-0 with one of the best motherwell displays I'd seen from Motherwell. The difference in performance last night could not have been any greater. January is going to be a crucial month for McGhee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 I don't go to many away games but I have decided I'm going to `the derby`. It will be 10 years to the day my grandfather died and it was he who indirectly made me a Well fan. He took me to watch Hamilton - Motherwell 79-80 with the intention of making me a Accies fan like him. RIP Archie. C'mon the Well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 McGhee has a track record of failure after early success and perhaps if given time and proper support from his board of directors he might be able to become a very good manager and build a few decent teams. The problem is this support from the directors wont be from our club. If a club cant build on the successes of a wonder season, when will they ever? Yet again our club blow a golden opportunity to progress. Longstanding loyal fans now feel unvalued, and are turning their backs to our club. We as a club are going backwards. From the outside it appears we were badly prepared heading into this season, and for that the buck has to rest with McGhee. Good managers know when to ship out players, yet we seem to reward these players with better contracts. In saying all that you have got to wonder how much of a hindrance our board of directors are with progressing our club. Mr Boyle has to get serious with our club, it is not some little plaything. We need real committment and effort from all within the club. After all, they keep saying our club is only a step stone away from greater things. How this can be true when so many of these so called professionals cant be bothered is baffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fal_Dosser Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 I hear what many are saying about a clear out last summer, but why would that have happened ? We generally played our best football for many years and finished 3rd in the league - where MMG, and possibly the Board, let themselves down big time, was in not strengthing the squad with quality additional players, to basically say to the squad 'ok you did brilliantly, but that's only the start' - stating the obvious and what we've all suspected, but our squad is way too bare, as was shown when Las was played at right back - hopefully Saunders will be pushing Coach for his place. We badly need players who aren't happy being subs and will be bursting a gut to prove they are better than the guy in their position - as for O'Brien, I'll make a judgement on the guy when I see him start a game, rather than being introduced when we're progressively losing the plot. As I've said already, this is when the management team have to stand up and show the players their strength, and get the belief going that they are good enough, individually and collectively. MON RA DOSSERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Kerse Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Having read through the thread again I think I am somewhere in the middle of the two poles; McGhee OUT and it's opposite number, 'It's awright we will be fine.' We may well BE fine however after the most successful season in many a recent year WHY we didn't bring in quality better than Jim O'Brien I'll never know. Don't give us the 'Who then?' argument - that's not my Job - but look around the SPL - Aluko, Taohuil, Bauben, Flood all for absolutely nowt - if we had our eye on them they could ALL be in Claret and Amber. The signings HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD ENOUGH. With that, we have to give him time in January. If we bring in 3 loan signings then so be it - our actual squad will be paper thin but hopefully, if McGhee stays out of departure lounges this summer, we can sort it then. We have to forget ALL aspirations of the top 6. I'm sure that time has passed (remmber THIS is the run of games we are supposed to be chalking up serious points). However, we can easily still survive, be very safely safe and who knows - with said astute signings and a collective boot up the farter a Hampden appearance could still await us. (If we get past Loco that is ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 McGhee should put all thoughts of 'moving to bigger and better things' out of his head, buckle down work hard and try and make a go of it with us. If he can turn our season around then he'd be thought better of by the fans and his stock might rise again. As far as signings are concerned he wants to forget about getting 'out of favour' OF players in that we can't afford to pay wages (e.g. Malcolm) and get his scouts out looking around seriously the way those at the likes of Dundee Utd, Kilmarnock, Falkirk and Hibs have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinBragg Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 McGhee should put all thoughts of 'moving to bigger and better things' out of his head, buckle down work hard and try and make a go of it with us. If he can turn our season around then he'd be thought better of by the fans and his stock might rise again. As far as signings are concerned he wants to forget about getting 'out of favour' OF players in that we can't afford to pay wages (e.g. Malcolm) and get his scouts out looking around seriously the way those at the likes of Dundee Utd, Kilmarnock, Falkirk and Hibs have done. I tend to agree with you that the only way McGhee will get the move that he so dearly wants is if he focuses totally on the job at hand and turns things around. I suspect though (as someone else posted, sorry can't remember who) he may do a Roy Keane and walk away citing lack of funds/appreciation by the fans. Your second point is one that's rankled with me for some time. But I don't think we can blame McGhee on this one (much as I'd like to ). Since McLean left, we have lost the ability to unearth the hidden gems that he found. Who had heard of Cusack, Nijholt, McKinnon or Dykstra before they'd signed for us? I know times are tight in Scottish football, but as you point out, other clubs have managed to find quality players. We need to be signing players looking to make a name for themselves, not players living off the fact that they once played for the old Firm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elky Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 As I said in The Accies thread "Time for McGhee to start working for his inflated wages, double training sessions etc and a much improved performance against Accies because if we don't win that match his credabilty as a good manager must start going down hill, and on this form he has no chance of getting the beloved Shellic job, He has to have the players fired up for this one and we MUST win this one." He rightly got all the praise last season, but lets see if he can stand up and take the flack. Fingers crossed or we are going down quicker than a Paisley hooker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sieb_dystras_barmy_army Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Resign now! Waster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broony Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Looking back we all prayed McGhee would stay along with Reynolds, Porter and Hughes. Now I don't think it would make us any worse if we lost any of them. Don't know who we could bring in to replace him but I wouldn't be sad to see him go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trafficlight Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 You don't become a bad manager in the space of a few months. McGhee proved last season he can get the best out of a limited squad, and whilst it's true you're only as good as your last result, I think he will turn this bad patch around. The difference between this season and last is stark, and it's true to say that, whilst the team overachieved last season, they are underachieving this. From the UEFA cup to bottom of the league in three months isn't good enough. Now McGhee has to show his mettle during the bad times and prove he can reverse a freefall. I personally think he has the ability; indeed the consensus has been he will eventually leave Motherwell for a bigger club. Well, he needs to prove himself in the here and now before he gets that chance. He must address why the team's fortunes have nosedived so dramatically, and do it fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Triangle Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 He has made your club financially secure, which is a blessing in the current economic climate. I see what you're saying and that man, but I think he might have been looking to long term sustenance rather than short term gain. Why do you come on and tell us everyday how good Mark McGhee has been for us, and dish out all these claims. Not trying to be harsh, but to say McGhee has made us financially secure is just a lie. The guy wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the club giving him a massive rise in wages. It wasn't because he 'loves the club so much' he didn't go to Hearts, he successfully used that to get more money out of our club. McGhee hasn't done a thing for our finances, the reason we are now operating at almost a profit, or at least breaking even is down to John Boyle. Sure he's alienated 70% of the suppport in the process, but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_mossend_mfc Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 McGhee and the team have to deliver 3 points against ICT,if not then i think we need a managment change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elky Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 McGhee and the team have to deliver 3 points against ICT,if not then i think we need a managment change. No it had to happen TODAY!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trafficlight Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 He'll be leaving Motherwell to sign on if he doesn't get his arse in gear. I can't wait for the usual we can turn this around soundbites on the official site. I used that one myself . But panicking at the first sign of trouble isn't the answer. I think McGhee is good enough to put this right. I certainly hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEWELL Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Today's line up was a shambles. The everpish RIGHT footed Steven McGarry LEFT side of midfield the everpish goal a game all season to the opposition Mark Reynolds gets ANOTHER game oh and guees what he causes ANOTHER goal. Is he shagging MM's daughter or something he should'nt be anywhere NEAR a central defence. The everpish and NEVER pass a ball to another Motherwell player Paul Quinn gets CENTRAL midfield role. .Maros Krimpl SHITE he can leave also. IT'S TIME TO CHANGE OUR MANAGER MCGEE MUST GO..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Kerse Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 OUT NOW!! In any other line of work - being as poor and ineffective as McGhee is you owuld be out on yer arse. No goals in 10 games from open play!! FIVE straight defeats is unacceptable! Out now Mark. Time to go. Shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Triangle Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Indeed! He's failed to do his job, and thats get the best out of our players. He admits it every week, and it's time for a new year, and a fresh start for Motherwell fc. First thing we should be doing is getting rid of this imposter. Him and his 50 transfer targets can GTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 mcghees tactics and team selection are getting more bizarre as the weeks go by.the next two games are vital if we dont pick up atleast four points in those games then mcghee should do the decent thing and walk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trafficlight Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I'd like to share your optimisim but this isn't the first sign of trouble, that was weeks ago. I'd like to see him put this right but I don't think he has the time to turn things round. I think he should go now. And your opinion has more validity than mine, I have to admit. You've seen the team play much more and you pay your money at the gate to have an opinion, I don't. You have every right to demand the manager's head when you think he isn't good enough. I can only go by the general principle that any club needs to be sure it can replace its current manager with someone better, and I think McGhee is a good manager capable of putting this right. I think/hope he's good enough, but the pressure is on. Bottom of the league halfway through the season is a big worry, but there's time. It's tight down there, so a couple of wins can change the outlook. It's the lack of goals that McGhee has to put right immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 You have every right to demand the manager's head when you think he isn't good enough. He IS good enough, we saw that from last season's performances and results. I wonder if there is somethine happening behind the scenes and has he lost the dressing room becasue of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 You can moan until you are blue in the face but this is our team and if anyone else is would like to suggest a manager they think would do a better job, is available, is willing to come to Motherwell and suggest how we stub up the money to pay off the rest of McGhee's contract and strengthen the team in January, then lets hear it. Nothing is going to change personnel wise so you might as well support the team or just go away and come back again when things are looking good again. Looks like its going to be a long hard season but all the 'pitchfork and flaming torches' stuff doesn't actually help anyone so sup it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Haggis, don't be Machiavellian. The simple fact is we have a piss poor set of players and the back-up players are even more pish so the first lot are safe in the knowledge that no matter how bad they are there's nobody there to take their place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 You can moan until you are blue in the face but this is our team and if anyone else is would like to suggest a manager they think would do a better job, is available, is willing to come to Motherwell and suggest how we stub up the money to pay off the rest of McGhee's contract well and strengthen the team in January, then lets hear it. Nothing is going to change personnel wise so you might as well support the team or just go away and come back again when things are looking good again. Looks like its going to be a long hard season but all the 'pitchfork and flaming torches' stuff doesn't actually help anyone so sup it up. You'll be supping it up yourself mate. The support at FP even last season when the team were playing well was piss poor so just watch it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Haggis, don't be Machiavellian. Don't worry - I can't stand Italian fitba'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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