brainier Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 I think it's 7 after last night but that is just a hunch. I am sure that it was 6 towards the end of last season.While every og may be unlucky it is not totally independant of ability. It is not simply fate that causes og's. I think last nights og was unlucky but better defenders would have dealt better with the ball that came into the box. Some of Craigans og's have been avoidable but I agree that that does not condemn him to being a bad player. I would rather see him in the team than not. If Marc Fitzpatrick had scored 7 og's in his time at Motherwell I wonder if he would be getting off so lightly? Just had a quick check and reckon seven in competitive fixtures is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggy_Steaua Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Talking about own goals, check out this one: Nicolita did it, big time, against RealMadrid, on Bernabeu. And it ended 1-0... He also scored one from about 6-8 yards, straight at the top corner of the goal, against Poli Iasi. Can't find it on youtube though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEWELL Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Im a big fan of Craigan he's a fine defender but some of his og's? .That one against Hearts has got to be the best/worst i've ever seen. Anyway lets not dwell on the past onwards and upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk2205 Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Talking about own goals, check out this one: Nicolita did it, big time, against RealMadrid, on Bernabeu. And it ended 1-0... He also scored one from about 6-8 yards, straight at the top corner of the goal, against Poli Iasi. Can't find it on youtube though. Now thats a balls up!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk2205 Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Still one of the best oggies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingannonwetrust Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 i personally think craigan has been found out by gannon and if the boss can he will replace him. he has been losing a yard of pace every year for the last couple. he actually might be going backwards now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east stand loyal Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 i personally think craigan has been found out by gannon and if the boss can he will replace him. he has been losing a yard of pace every year for the last couple. he actually might be going backwards now. Amen to that! Loyal sevant aye Past it..perhaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingannonwetrust Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 dont get me wrong i think he has been a well player through and through but time catches up with every player, hell even last year he pulled us out the mire when he came back from injury but time for change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 If he had a faster guy to play beside, he would be fine. Nothing wrong with using experience over pace - but only if you have pace elsewhere in the defence. It's all about getting the balance right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Bollocks. As many have said in here Craigan was still a stand out last night. Many players would have went into a shell after the OG like that but Craigan was once again solid. Past it my arse. Take him out the team against St Johnstone and we'll get hammered as he is still a better central defender than Hutchison and Reynolds. He needs a partner in the centre though that is not learning his game. Let Craigan teach them on the training ground, not in a match situation and you'll see there is still much to come from Craigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cakes Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Anybody remember Burley's og at Hibs............. gave them the result Aye, it was into the goal in front of the 'Well fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worf Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Just seen own goal on you tube we were up other end last night and did not get a good view its a shocker, not sure what he was trying to do. however Hutchison was at fault at two goals missing headers not all Graigans fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambo97 Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Seem to remember Richard Gough scoring a screamer of an OG with a diving header Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Irish Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 To me a total enigma. I don't see it as a big mystery. He is probably the best CB at the club and he does organise those around him well, hence when he's out of the team, we play more poorly. However, that doesn't mean that there might be a better option out there for us. I'm not 100% convinced he'll be a big part of the Gannon rebuilding process, but maybe my scepticism will prove unfounded, we'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFCGMFC Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 mibi we could play craggs up front to partner sutty? lol just kidden he is by far the best CB at teh club, he is great in the air and for what he looses in pace he sure as hell picks up in experience i think he will be an excellent coach for the youngsters coming through! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Firstly, Craigan should be in our team as he is the best defender in our team. However, he was never the best outfield player against Bucharest, in fact I thought he had a shocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghorn Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 No matter what we say Jim Gannon is going to decide if he stays or not. Gannon played in a similar position and I think he will move to replace Craggs very soon as he appears to like a bit of youth about. My personal opinion is that his best days are behind him as far as pace is concerned but still reads the game well and can make some good tackles although is never forceful enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJ-94 Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 remember fitzys og vs aberdeen when he chipped buzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 i personally think craigan has been found out by gannon and if the boss can he will replace him. he has been losing a yard of pace every year for the last couple. he actually might be going backwards now. I think you are spot on too mate. A cracker of a player and a gent as well.....but I just get the impression that Gannon (by watching him at our recent 'home' games and his reactions to the Craigan HOOF up the park) is not a fan. 7 o.g.s is a fair amount right enough. Has he more than Butcher? I remember a cracker at Tannadice where the Utd Keeper (McAlpine? Thompson? Main?) punts it for Butcher to try to header it and it goes behind him, straight by Woods and into the net. Never touched the deck. Tell me someone else remembers this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Haha Youtube is your pal!!! 29 seconds in. As good as I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big tache Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 My take on Crags is the guy is too nice. For the style of player he is he just isn't your typical old fashioned centre half. Some players when it's not going right can resort to 'the break his fuckin' legs' scenario. Crags doesn't have that in his makeup, maybe if we had someone like "Tony Adams" beside him we'd have the perfect partnership. Not havin' a go at Adams by the way (personally think he's one of the best centre halves i've ever seen) but some players need others beside them to get the best out them. Billy Bremner - Terry Hunter, Emlyn Hughes - Tommy Smith, Willie Miller - Doug Rougvie and Big Eck, Terry Yorath - Kevin Keegan and of course our own Batman and Robin......... God - Bobby Graham. Christ am geein' ma age away here big time Any youse young pups want tae know who am on about email the bbc and ask for match of the day clips fae the 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I was at a charity sports function about 15 years ago and on the panel was Emlyn Hughes, someone in the audience asked him who had scored the most goals against Liverpool in his time at the club and he kind of waffled on naming certain strikers from his time but ultimately admitted he hadn't a clue. The questioner then said "Well actually Emlyn it's you " No striker had scored as many goals against Liverpool as the 12 og's he had scored in his time there. Weird, but as Emlyn said "Most strikers only played against Liverpool twice a season I played against them every week" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Willie McVie against Rangers a bullet header into the back of the net, an absolute screamer of an OG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinky Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Theres some cracking o.g's in there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as-AAuZLyjQ...feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radgenaldo Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I understand people will reward loyalty with loyalty, but does this extend to the point where even if there are better players available (to sign, not already at the club) we keep the old guy who is loyal to the club and does an ok job most times and a terrible or brilliant job at others? Or do we get some new blood in who may not be at the club for years but will do a better job for us week in week out for a while? No OG in the world is ever deliberate, its just that if you make too many mistakes its going to get picked up on, and if you only compensate for those mistakes every so often then the cons start to outwiegh the pros. Pace, timing, skill at passing and clearing are all part of a defender's game and for the past few years it looks to me like Craggs' has dwindled gradually in most areas. Well fans in general seem to love cult heroes and despise players who leave for bigger clubs or more money (I, for one, hate Scott Mcdickhead and don't think much of Buzz, Hughes et al leaving for more money at smaller teams down south) but the heroe's have all got to come to end sometime. I mean, if I was playing for Well every week I'd be more loyal than anyone on the team, and throw myself into every challenge with aplomb, but that doesn't make me the best man for the job. This isn't a slight on Craigan, or a personal dig, just a little realisation and my point of view on the matter. I wait with no baited breath for the arrows to fly in my direction now....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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