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It wasnt just Saturday it's the same every game. He seems to have an aversion to passing to manny who always seems to be in acres of space to receive the ball.

For me Jake is the only CB we have that really seems to like a tackle and he is probably the best in the air. I thought Moorman was gonna be in that mould, but he really seems to have dropped off from the start of the season. Not sure if thats just a confidence thing or not. JKL looks the most comfortable with the ball at his feet and coming out from the back. Not really seen any evidence of physicality, albeit from a smaller sample size. McGinn certainly adds experience, as would McGhee, but Im not sure either of them are that physical either. I think your previous observations about the defence getting protection from the midfield are probably on point. We didnt seem to need to be that physical last season and that was with a backline of supposed right backs at times. I think if we get the balance of the team better in midfield and get back to controlling games a little better the physical aspect of the game will be less of a issue.

Whilst neither had a bad game on Saturday, on the basis of what Ive seen this season I'm not convinced they come close to last seasons defensive partnership. To me even a 35 year old Paul McGinn is better than both of them. However McGinn is not long term. If neither show much improvement between now and the January window I'd be looking to bring in others to beef up that area and perhaps find a central defender who can play it out from the back with a bit more pace. To be fair they tried to up the pace a bit on Saturday but JGR was still painfully slow moving the ball forward as the game went on, again trying to be fair players in front of him need to get into positions that make the quick play viable. He also isnt helped by the fact he has zero pace over the ground so if he fucks up a pass he will never catch a forward running away from him. Maybe for that reason he lacks the confidence to play the quick pass but its not all down to him thats the managers job to address not mine.

I'm wondering if MM and JGR is the right central defensive combination. Would either one benefit from playing alongside an experienced colleague like McGinn (possibly) or someone more physical in the Stephen Welsh or JKL mould. Whilst neither were overly troubled on Saturday in a pure footballing sense, both struggled badly against bigger more physical opponents in personal battles.

Ideally i want 3 points, but to be honest another solid performance, no daft mistakes and a clean sheet 0-0 draw would be a decent result away from home against a team in good form.

Said it earlier on, there seems to be no communication on the pitch between any of them not just those two. Its like the are in wee bubbles of thier own. That has to change for the team to gel, you would think they know each other well enough by now to at least talk to each other on the park. Noticeable especially when we are defending corners.

Yup.....definitely wasn't folk laughing at my jokes 🤣🤣, other funny moment was when ball landed near us in hunter stand. Person threw it back but not far enough and I think hit someone on back.of head 🤣

I thought I heard people laughing at your jokes in the hunter stand yesterday then I realised it was big thors diving header they were laughing at.

They posted it to Instagram as well https://www.instagram.com/reel/DfKvDa2jRxW/?psln=MTlvMDU1djM2bHQ3aQ==

Cheers bud

Think the announcer said 900

Crowd 6738 yesterday What was away support? Definitely still a healthy home support which is great to see

My mates wish I was like that with my jokes 🤣🤣

Not seen too much negativity to be honest. I saw a few comments about kanga but he was actually involved with 3 of our chances and still only 20. Moormann so nervous but a clean sheet hopefully will boost his confidence. I even thought Maswanhise workrate was really good and I have been critical of him. Winning yesterday was great. I could feel nervousness in the stands but once we scored was great seeing fans up singing and also great tifo from the lads. COYW

Whatever AJ thought about yesterday, he's apparently keeping it to himself.

Had Longelos cross for Maswanhise just been that wee bit better, we would have been looking at the goal of the season and as good as anything served up last year. Ive been critical recently, some of the performances haven't been good enough and in particular, some of the goals we have lost have been utter pish...but over the past 2 or 3 games there have been signs of improvement, and with the squad getting bigger (as injuries improve), I think we will be OK.

Agreed. I think there are a few posters that are now invested in the manager must go argument that are not giving the team the credit it is due yesterday. It could have been 4 or 5 with the number of chances created. Motherwell were significantly better than St Mirren which will not sit well with the people arguing pre match that we are favourites for relegation. It was not perfect and the performance did not hit the heights of last season but there is plenty to be optimistic about if you care to look for it.

Im very surprised at the negative comments on yesterdays performance...I honestly, thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought we defended well and that back 4 is probably the best we can muster at present. I thought we dominated the ball for almost the entire 90mins against an absolute gang. I thought we created an absolute barrel-load of chances and opportunities. I think where we let ourselves down yesterday was that we weren't clinical enough in front of goal...if we can get that bit right, someone is going to take an absolute scudding off us.

I dont expect anything from this game. Right now Utd are a better team than us, their midfield is very strong. Id be delighted with a point.

I think Kanga is progressing along fine and will just get better as the season goes on.

It's a good measure of how much they believed in their new approach. They have been on a similar poor run as us, but while Alfred and the coaching staff were very clear we were going to stick to our principles while tightening things up, St Mirren have very quickly reverted to their old style. I was surprised it took 86 minutes for Gogic to get booked.

Looking forward to seeing how we fare against an 11 man Dundee United and finding out if Goodwin really has become a convert to The Church of Jens. If he has, we might be able to get some joy up top. But will we be able to keep the door shut at the back? Could be an interesting game. Would shake hands on a draw right now. But back to back wins would be a pretty nice feeling going into the break.

Maybe Alfred needs to do a Jens and go without a recognised striker? Problem with that is he would have to give up going long, unless it is the ball over the top for Maswanhise to chase.

Vigurs was a talented footballer. His problem was the desire to be one. No hunger, no fight. When the going got tough, he went missing. But then, I guess thats why someone with his ability was with us in the first place and not playing at a higher level.

You raise an interesting point here. As fans we like to see players in their natural position but often that can be at the expense of having the best 11 football players on the pitch. I agree that you would wish ultimately to see the above mentioned players all play. The problem is how does it affect the balance of the team. A good problem to have after the injury woes of the last few months. I was a huge fan of Iain Vigurs when he was at Motherwell and on his day he was the best midfielder we had at the time ( in my opinion) but he sometimes did not complement the balance of the midfield on a particular day with Lasley etc in the team.