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I kinda get that Jake is our player and JKL is a loan player, so we probably want to give priority to developing Jake as there is money in it for us. However, you still need to win football matches and when you go 6 defeats on the bounce conceding goals for fun, you think he might have been given a chance. Now we have a win and a clean sheet, I suspect it might become even more difficult for him to get game time. Of course, there is always the possibility tge manager see's something different in training that has caused him to stick with Jake / Moorman.

Anymore crap jokes and the Gestapo will be paying you a visit.😂

Yep that confuses me also. Even JKL and big Jake could be combination until mcginn fully up to speed. But will defo be jake and MM on Saturday as they have earned the reich....ehhhh I mean right 🤪

You think we've had a bad run, I see Lennon Miller was a starter at the weekend in their 5 - 2 defeat to the men in claret and amber. Udinese's last 8 games have been L L L L L L D L

It’s odd that JKL hasn’t had more games - he started well and like you mention has all the attributes . i thought he and Moorman were both decent together . Goven our defensive challenges o had thought a back 3 might help but there’s been no sign of that id certainly be keen to see JKL on the starting 11

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This baffles me too. If he's under instruction to do that, then I can't imagine why. Also G-R was rather slow in passing out of defence on Saturday. Meanwhile Mr Supercool on the left is often ignored and we have no quick movement of the ball.

It wasnt just Saturday it's the same every game. He seems to have an aversion to passing to manny who always seems to be in acres of space to receive the ball.

For me Jake is the only CB we have that really seems to like a tackle and he is probably the best in the air. I thought Moorman was gonna be in that mould, but he really seems to have dropped off from the start of the season. Not sure if thats just a confidence thing or not. JKL looks the most comfortable with the ball at his feet and coming out from the back. Not really seen any evidence of physicality, albeit from a smaller sample size. McGinn certainly adds experience, as would McGhee, but Im not sure either of them are that physical either. I think your previous observations about the defence getting protection from the midfield are probably on point. We didnt seem to need to be that physical last season and that was with a backline of supposed right backs at times. I think if we get the balance of the team better in midfield and get back to controlling games a little better the physical aspect of the game will be less of a issue.

Whilst neither had a bad game on Saturday, on the basis of what Ive seen this season I'm not convinced they come close to last seasons defensive partnership. To me even a 35 year old Paul McGinn is better than both of them. However McGinn is not long term. If neither show much improvement between now and the January window I'd be looking to bring in others to beef up that area and perhaps find a central defender who can play it out from the back with a bit more pace. To be fair they tried to up the pace a bit on Saturday but JGR was still painfully slow moving the ball forward as the game went on, again trying to be fair players in front of him need to get into positions that make the quick play viable. He also isnt helped by the fact he has zero pace over the ground so if he fucks up a pass he will never catch a forward running away from him. Maybe for that reason he lacks the confidence to play the quick pass but its not all down to him thats the managers job to address not mine.

I'm wondering if MM and JGR is the right central defensive combination. Would either one benefit from playing alongside an experienced colleague like McGinn (possibly) or someone more physical in the Stephen Welsh or JKL mould. Whilst neither were overly troubled on Saturday in a pure footballing sense, both struggled badly against bigger more physical opponents in personal battles.

Ideally i want 3 points, but to be honest another solid performance, no daft mistakes and a clean sheet 0-0 draw would be a decent result away from home against a team in good form.

Said it earlier on, there seems to be no communication on the pitch between any of them not just those two. Its like the are in wee bubbles of thier own. That has to change for the team to gel, you would think they know each other well enough by now to at least talk to each other on the park. Noticeable especially when we are defending corners.

Yup.....definitely wasn't folk laughing at my jokes 🤣🤣, other funny moment was when ball landed near us in hunter stand. Person threw it back but not far enough and I think hit someone on back.of head 🤣

I thought I heard people laughing at your jokes in the hunter stand yesterday then I realised it was big thors diving header they were laughing at.

They posted it to Instagram as well https://www.instagram.com/reel/DfKvDa2jRxW/?psln=MTlvMDU1djM2bHQ3aQ==

Cheers bud

Think the announcer said 900

Crowd 6738 yesterday What was away support? Definitely still a healthy home support which is great to see

My mates wish I was like that with my jokes 🤣🤣

Not seen too much negativity to be honest. I saw a few comments about kanga but he was actually involved with 3 of our chances and still only 20. Moormann so nervous but a clean sheet hopefully will boost his confidence. I even thought Maswanhise workrate was really good and I have been critical of him. Winning yesterday was great. I could feel nervousness in the stands but once we scored was great seeing fans up singing and also great tifo from the lads. COYW

Whatever AJ thought about yesterday, he's apparently keeping it to himself.

Had Longelos cross for Maswanhise just been that wee bit better, we would have been looking at the goal of the season and as good as anything served up last year. Ive been critical recently, some of the performances haven't been good enough and in particular, some of the goals we have lost have been utter pish...but over the past 2 or 3 games there have been signs of improvement, and with the squad getting bigger (as injuries improve), I think we will be OK.

Agreed. I think there are a few posters that are now invested in the manager must go argument that are not giving the team the credit it is due yesterday. It could have been 4 or 5 with the number of chances created. Motherwell were significantly better than St Mirren which will not sit well with the people arguing pre match that we are favourites for relegation. It was not perfect and the performance did not hit the heights of last season but there is plenty to be optimistic about if you care to look for it.