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The thing is, Welsh still has 18 months to run on his Celtic contract and wage level. Why would he want to sign for Aberdeen now on half his current salary? If he wants to leave, he will have a better choice of clubs in the summer or later. If Aberdeen offer to take him on loan and pay a larger % of his wages he doesn't have to agree and it wouldn't benefit him financially as he wouldn't see any of that increased contribution.

I don’t often get on my high horse but this is a sanctimonious and entitled reply. I have read the rest of the thread and replies and the dismissive attitude doesn’t get better. This DOES matter regardless of who is asking for the sanction and I am no fan of SPFL or Scottish Government hypocrisy. Use of pyros is not some political stance it is an outright danger to the people using and others in the vicinity. If the club is willing to accept that they don’t lose out financially because inconsiderate and negligent morons, or their excusers, have paid the cost of 50 tickets then I’m seriously worried about that attitude towards the safety and wellbeing of majority of the rest of us fans. As per the original post if Block E stuck to the tifos, joyful exuberance, and carnival atmosphere they can and do create they would continue be a credit to the club. Covering up and dismissing the dangerous behaviour risks totally undermining all the good. Multiple wrongs and hypocrisy from other “fans” behaviours is deflection and no excuse.

😂me too, it is like someone scraping their nails down a blackboard.

Why do football fans suspend employment reality when it comes to players. Doesn't matter a fuck if Aberdeen don't have a manager or whether or not he flops. If someone offers you a 3 year contract on 10 grand a week you won't worry about fuck all else. This fanciful notion that players are motivated by places in the league, chance of European football really is suspending reality. Look at Jake Hastie took the chance was utter shite from the minute he left us but laughing all the way to the bank on the back of a 3 year contract with Rangers.. If Aberdeen want him and they are bidding with us it's extremely unlikely he would choose us. Happy to eat humble pie if Welsh is the first player in 20 years to take lower wages just cos he likes where he is.

Don’t see allocations how big or small affecting the decision making - these are token amounts, the uncomfortable approach to appease government. I’d doubt the authorities would have known of any offer to pay penalty by another party. Wanting fans banned would only serve to raise statistics when representing to government. Refraining is the only option to avoid future censure. The rights and wrongs of the issue are for another debate.

The Bob Shankly Stand holds about 3,000 fans although numbers of our fans have been a point of contention in the past, especially at cup games.

Pretty sure Arsenal recalled Biereth in January and then sent him overseas that same month? As far as Celtic are concerned, I guess if Aberdeen were willing to pay a reasonable fee and/or pay a larger portion of his wages than us then it is a no brainer. Not sure how much say Welsh would have at the end of the day. Remember he is only with us because Celtic shat all over him at the end of last season and stopped him returning to Belgium.. But sitting in the Stand for 18 months....if Celtic so decided...would not benefit him either. Guess we will find out soon.

Yes, you're right of course. I stand corrected.

Thanks. The numbers explanation could lessen the impact but only if we do not sell out our full allocation. If we don't sell out then nobody needs to be disadvantaged. That is a loophole the SPFL will probably look to close. Do all Clubs advise SPFL of their allocations to visiting Clubs at season start? How else would the Authorities know how many tickets were heading our way to start with? Or what reduction to apply. How many tickets do Dundee usually allocate to us. Thousands? 500? And are Dundee able to increase the numbers as they see fit? If the 'Group' are coughing up it sounds to me like those Authorities are not happy with that approach as it means MFC escape a financial penalty. In other words they opted to fine MFC, but in a round about way? And they wanted fans banned. But the only solution moving forward is either that the fans' pyro stops or is allowed at all football grounds. The latter is not going to happen.

Kettlewell effect in full force tonight against Thistle. 2 early goals on the break and then sit in with 34% possession at home. Hoofs up park to Whyte on his own and rinse and repeat.

Celtic could recall, but Welsh does not need to sign for Aberdeen. Sure Celtic could play funny buggers, but they still need to pay him his full wages. If they forced the move would Aberdeen get a motivated and happy player? If he goes then so be it. We have shown we can cope without him in the past.

I think the issue is Celtic. If Aberdeen come out and say we’ll give you £250k for him then they’ll sell him. I’m sure there’s something about loan players losing any right to say im Not leaving? I might be wrong but im sure they have done that before. Celtic are notoriously bad at treating players like sh1te.

Shows we are light in a few areas with the injuries we have. Our bench was really strong a few weeks back and now our academy boys are making up the numbers. Tho that might be a good thing for their development.

Aberdeen can sniff all they like. Surely Welsh justs says nope not going there. Aberdeen trying to be relevant. Basket case of a club. They spend plenty with no real planning or style.

We’ve sold out allocations with limited numbers though, tomorrow is a different circumstance again. Were it to be reduced capacity on the limited numbers I’d agree with your point. The responsibility taken is a paying of any penalty by others on behalf of the club. The club aren’t making a big deal out of it. We move on. As for your closing request, ruling is open to ambiguity in my opinion. If Police Scotland and the stewarding provider can’t identify real time or by using images available to them, club will face same. Club obviously took the group(s) to task & dealt with matter how they seen fit. SPFL don’t agree, like I said, they’re uncomfortable in this approach given our government are driving the issue.

Rovers

Rancid reporting Kofi Balmer to Bristol City on loan and Aberdeen sniffing about Stephen Welsh.

Good post OTF. This is a load of bollocks from the SPFL. Who dreamt this nonsense up? Maybe they had a few sherries too many when they wrote this punishment. We'll leave aside the issue of the rights and wrongs of pyros for the time being. I don't doubt that the Scottish Government is behind this action as OTF suggests and it needs to get its own house in order first with regards to the use of pyros in society full stop, before singling out football. Also it needs to grow a set and tackle bigger issues in Scottish football, but thats too controversial. It does need to grow a set. For the record, successive Scottish Governments have swerved the huge issue of sectariansism. Anyway onto the SPFL. So, in terms of pyros we have strict liability. What about decades of tolerated sectarianism? I get that higher powers might not be happy if the SPFL addressed this head on. It can't pick and choose when to apply strict liability. Going back to 2024's league cup semi, who was in 100% charge of stewarding and security? Thats right, the SPFL itself. Now onto these particular punishments. Hibs have been handed down a suspended sentence. If that is implemented, they will be both the victim and beneficiary of financial penalties, as Sevco will be required to pay them for unused ticked. How inconsistent is that? As for us, our penalty will apply against Dundee. Will that game be a sellout? Of course it won't, so the loss of 50 tickets is purely academic. If it were to be a sellout, what guarantee would there be that the "culprits", if I may call them that, didn't get tickets? We could end up with a situation whereby the culprits get in and 50 innocent parties lose out. Not only that, in terms of the detailed compensation, it could be that the culprits are concessions but we have to pay Dundee FC full whack. How will the cost of tickets be calculated? Finally, whilst I have no grouse with Dundee, why should they benefit from an additional 50 ticket sales when they are in no way involved? A far fairer solution, although far from perfect, would be to hand down a straightforward fine, if we go down the controversial route of strict liability, and to initiate a review of the SPFL's own security arrangements.

Maybe the comment “responsibility taken…..won’t cost the club..” means those responsible have agreed to pay for the tickets?

SIWY RIP Mr Chapman.

Sad news, condolences to his family. He will always be remembered fondly for what he did for Motherwell FC.

On the basis we are selling out away fixtures, please inform us how reducing that allocation by 50 will not result in 50 fans missing out. What am I missing? Also, if the Club are having to meet the cost of those 50 tickets to ensure United are not penalised please explain why that will not cost the Club financially. And maybe also comment as to why part of the reason for the sanction is that both Clubs " failed to identify and/or take proportionate disciplinary measures against the supporters responsible for the pyrotechnic displays."

Read what was posted above and not just look at the words… Responsibility been taken - without spelling it out, it won’t cost the club financially.

Just hearing his name reminds me of my earliest days supporting the club. Thoughts with his family.