kristoff Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 You are all delusional - 1.5 million....., no vote on reconstruction..... Best of luck, but anyone willing to put money in, already has. Without having shares handed to me, my money staying in the bank . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghorn Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 You are all delusional - 1.5 million....., no vote on reconstruction..... Best of luck, but anyone willing to put money in, already has. Without having shares handed to me, my money staying in the bank . Entitltled to your opinion. your not the train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 It is a concern though that the Society has been up and running for nearly a year and has raised £380,000 plus change but another £1,120,000 is required. This is going to take large donations from nearby businesses. In this 'financial climate' I'll admit to being more than sceptical. Major fundraising required that is for sure. Be interesting to see ideas, plans in action, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghorn Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 It is a concern though that the Society has been up and running for nearly a year and has raised £380,000 plus change but another £1,120,000 is required. This is going to take large donations from nearby businesses. In this 'financial climate' I'll admit to being more than sceptical. Major fundraising required that is for sure. Be interesting to see ideas, plans in action, etc. Obviously there will be concerns, but there is no doubt the running of the club is within reach of the society. those who attended last night will have seen that we have a real say in the running of day to day decisions of the clubWe need to ensure that the reps are "in tune" with the majority of members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 I've said it in quite a few posts now that there is tremendous scope to enlarge the membership by offering longer payment terms rather than the current 4 payments. I've spoken to quite few people who aren't yet members and there is definite interest in being able to pay 12 instalments of £25 as that is affordable to many people in the current climate. I know some will say just pay the £25 into an account every month and transfer it every 3 months but I think the temptation for many would be to "dip in" to it for other things and it would go on the back burner so to speak. A monthly direct debit would concentrate the mind and wouldn't be missed as much. Feel free to shoot me down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StipeIsGod Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 I've said it in quite a few posts now that there is tremendous scope to enlarge the membership by offering longer payment terms rather than the current 4 payments. I've spoken to quite few people who aren't yet members and there is definite interest in being able to pay 12 instalments of £25 as that is affordable to many people in the current climate. I know some will say just pay the £25 into an account every month and transfer it every 3 months but I think the temptation for many would be to "dip in" to it for other things and it would go on the back burner so to speak. A monthly direct debit would concentrate the mind and wouldn't be missed as much. Feel free to shoot me down You've not spoken to me, and I can agree wholeheartedly with what's been said here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Stand_Al Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I've said it in quite a few posts now that there is tremendous scope to enlarge the membership by offering longer payment terms rather than the current 4 payments. I've spoken to quite few people who aren't yet members and there is definite interest in being able to pay 12 instalments of £25 as that is affordable to many people in the current climate. I know some will say just pay the £25 into an account every month and transfer it every 3 months but I think the temptation for many would be to "dip in" to it for other things and it would go on the back burner so to speak. A monthly direct debit would concentrate the mind and wouldn't be missed as much. Feel free to shoot me down Apparently the problem with this is FSA regulations surrounding the society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 3,500 Motherwell fans at a Scottish Cuo replay with heavily discounted prices. Think back to the Tony Thomas era, 3rd round 3-1 win over Hearts, live on the telly. There was over 9000 at the game. Anyone that thinks we can generate the necessary funds for the well society to succeed is in cloud cuckoo land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 I'd certainly say, amongst other reasonswhy the money to be raised is a BIG ask, is that there genuinely appears to be a decline in interest in the game. Should be massive concerns all round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 3,500 Motherwell fans at a Scottish Cuo replay with heavily discounted prices. Think back to the Tony Thomas era, 3rd round 3-1 win over Hearts, live on the telly. There was over 9000 at the game. Anyone that thinks we can generate the necessary funds for the well society to succeed is in cloud cuckoo land. Under the circumstances, a reasonable if not great crowd and pretty much what I expected. How do we generate funds if not through the Well Society? Probably two options: 1 Wait for a sugar daddy to come along 2 Do nothing/cut back even further Neither option particularly appeals to me and I would be disappointed if the club Board was to promote either one as being the way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 Anyone that thinks we can generate the necessary funds for the well society to succeed is in cloud cuckoo land. the £1.5m is just a figure the club have plucked out the air, if the society isn't able to raise that much the directors will just have to lower the conditions. there are no alternative ownership models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 the £1.5m is just a figure the club have plucked out the air, if the society isn't able to raise that much the directors will just have to lower the conditions. there are no alternative ownership models. This. So I think everyone who can should get involved rather than waiting to see what's going to happen. We have to make it happen cos there is no plan B. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 3500 x £300 = £1,050,000 2500 x £300 = £750,000 1000 x £1,000 = £1,000,000 The target is achievable and quite modest for a club of our size, St.Mirren fans raised monies to purchase their club by pledging to monthly debits, so payment terms are a must sort, and the reality of the situation has to be made clear, it's this or ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 The facts are though 12 months in we have about, I think, 800 adult members. Much more required to meet the 'target' or three or four very generous companies need to step up. In this financial climate again a big ask. The four monthly payments is the big stumbling block I think. If this could get paid up af £25 a month I think more would take it on? Enougj to meet the quoted £1.5m? If I'm honest I do have my doubt. Again, I hope those doubts are misplaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 The facts are though 12 months in we have about, I think, 800 adult members. Much more required to meet the 'target' or three or four very generous companies need to step up. In this financial climate again a big ask. The four monthly payments is the big stumbling block I think. If this could get paid up af £25 a month I think more would take it on? Enougj to meet the quoted £1.5m? If I'm honest I do have my doubt. Again, I hope those doubts are misplaced. All of this was discussed last week and the Trust Board know full well the task that lies ahead of them. This is why they are devoting time and effort to fund raising and membership drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted December 12, 2012 Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 I think this sort of thing only works with corporate backing but they aren't going to back it unless they see the members are serious first. I'm not familiar with the St Mirren case but whilst I would love us to be a bit further forward at the present time I don't think we are in a disastorous place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrap Iron Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Where did the £300 adult membership number come from? I've got to believe a lot of supporters would like to invest, but are on the fence as this is a lot of money. Would it not make more sense to have a cheaper buy-in price, say £100 or £150, to attract more people? Sure would make it easier for me to contribute. Just curious as to the rationale here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 this new league system is the biggest change proposed in the history of scottish football. teams having their results from the first half of the season scrapped and going back to zero points is contrary to the principles of annual football seasons that we have had in this country for 120 years. surely the trust has to at least consult the members on these proposals and open communication with the club? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaag Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Aye. Oi. Where's our vote or communication around this? Answers on a postcard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamH Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Surely there will have to be some sort of communication from the club. Ignoring the current members doesn't exactly make the Society very attractive to potential new members. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 lawell on the the news saying all the spl clubs are in agreement about reconstruction. the silence from the society is deafening and in direct contradiction to the aims of the society outlined at the last meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Absolutely. Even if they just told us why/if they were supporting it, it would be a start, but consultation seems a pretty basic function of the Society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 from their own document In order to allow fans to participate in the ownership of the club, to give voice to their aspirations and to encourage their participation in the society, a third aim is to: · represent the views of the members and fans to the MFC Board surely it's time to start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Stand_Al Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Perhaps the answer lies here, so far all that has been agreed is "SPL clubs will also have a formal vote, having unanimously agreed to explore the advantages of the 12-12-18 set-up." I would expect some contact when there is an actual decision to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Perhaps the answer lies here, so far all that has been agreed is "SPL clubs will also have a formal vote, having unanimously agreed to explore the advantages of the 12-12-18 set-up." I would expect some contact when there is an actual decision to be made. the club can do what they want the society should be contacting the members and communicating regardless of the club's position at the moment. as i said a while ago this is an ideal opportunity to demonstrate the society functioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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