weeyin 4,193 Report post Posted May 20 I don't even know why PCAs exist. If you want someone in January, pay for them and take them in January. If you want them when their contract expires. sign them after their contract expires The rest is just unnecessary complication. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kmcalpin 1,212 Report post Posted May 20 Nine senior players out. Agreet that we should bring in 3/4/5 better quality players. Our exact shopping list will depend on whether Lamie moves on of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Wispy Flossy 388 Report post Posted May 20 Hard to argue with that list tbh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteelmaninOZ 277 Report post Posted May 20 Farewell Grimmy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wellsince75 247 Report post Posted May 20 12 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said: Farewell Grimmy out of all the players leaving he's the one I've got a soft spot for. Appreciate he needs to move on and not the best player we've ever had but his attitude and effort was immense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fizoxy 635 Report post Posted May 20 As a Duracell bunny right back, he was decent. As a mideifleder he was not. Great guy though, and I'm sad to see him go. I hope he finds a good gig where he can get regular game time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joewarkfanclub 932 Report post Posted May 20 1 hour ago, texanwellfan said: So 10 players out. Do we turn that into 3 or 4 higher level players at more competitive salary? Certainly be my preference. Hopefully the lure of European Football will assist in that regard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joewarkfanclub 932 Report post Posted May 20 38 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said: Farewell Grimmy Not often a player comes into a club from outwith the area and immediately "gets it". Grimmy was one of those guys and its sad to see him go, but he wasnt going ro get a lot of gametime moving forward, so he goes with our best wishes and he is welcome back anytime. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Onthefringes 797 Report post Posted May 20 34 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Not often a player comes into a club from outwith the area and immediately "gets it". Grimmy was one of those guys and its sad to see him go, but he wasnt going ro get a lot of gametime moving forward, so he goes with our best wishes and he is welcome back anytime. I concur. I’ll miss him 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ya Bezzer! 1,836 Report post Posted May 20 2 hours ago, texanwellfan said: So 10 players out. Do we turn that into 3 or 4 higher level players at more competitive salary? We have a first team squad of about 18-19 players so I honestly don't see us bringing in much more than that. Maybe about a 24 - 25 man squad? Fingers crossed they are higher level players. I said earlier we needed to replace our defence but it looks like it's going to be pretty much the same players - O'donnell/Mugabi. Ojala/Lamie/Johansen. McGinley/Carroll. The number of goals conceded this season was the single biggest problem and it's hard to see leopards changing their spots unless there are substantial tactical changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weeyin 4,193 Report post Posted May 20 33 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said: The number of goals conceded this season was the single biggest problem and it's hard to see leopards changing their spots unless there are substantial tactical changes. I think tactics definitely played a part in our defensive woes, along with the fact that we never seemed to be able to field the same defenders in consecutive games for continuity. I quite liked the back 3 strategy we used with Carroll and O'Donnell as wingbacks, but doubt that is in GA's plans for next season. On the Grimmy front, also sorry to see him go and hope he finds a regular starting spot with a new club. Always seemed like a positive asset around the club even when he wasn't playing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ohwulliewullie 164 Report post Posted May 20 3 hours ago, weeyin said: I don't even know why PCAs exist. If you want someone in January, pay for them and take them in January. If you want them when their contract expires. sign them after their contract expires The rest is just unnecessary complication. I don’t know the reasons for PCAs coming into existence in the first place, but I can see an argument for them in a league like Scotland with wages generally a lot more modest than elsewhere. If a player’s contract is up in the summer, it gives them a bit of time to sort out their options and make a decision. I can imagine that if you’re approaching becoming out of contract, players would get very nervous towards the end of the season with nothing sorted… and the possibility of getting injured… medical bills and rehab to cover… with nothing coming in to pay your mortgage etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Grew 269 Report post Posted May 20 As others have posted I can’t argue with the release of the players on the club’s list. However I think there are still a few players left who IMO have shown that they’re not good enough to be playing at Premiership level: Mugabi (Contracted to May 2022) Carroll (Contracted to May 2023) Ojala (Contracted to May 2023) Goss (Contracted to May 2023) McGinley (Contracted to May 2024) Slattery (Contracted to May 2024) I appreciate that they are still under contract but they really do need to be gradually moved out. I also think that the manager has questions to answer surrounding his signing of Jordan Roberts and the loan signings of Liam Shaw and Victor Nirennold. Between them they only started 12 games and contributed the square root of f*ck all. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weeyin 4,193 Report post Posted May 20 25 minutes ago, ohwulliewullie said: I don’t know the reasons for PCAs coming into existence in the first place, but I can see an argument for them in a league like Scotland with wages generally a lot more modest than elsewhere. If a player’s contract is up in the summer, it gives them a bit of time to sort out their options and make a decision. I can imagine that if you’re approaching becoming out of contract, players would get very nervous towards the end of the season with nothing sorted… and the possibility of getting injured… medical bills and rehab to cover… with nothing coming in to pay your mortgage etc. Wouldn't the players that sign PCAs just get snapped up at the end of the season by the same teams anyway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfc 421 Report post Posted May 20 The defence is definitely a big concern,other than lamie the rest are under contract and unless the plan is to move some on and it actually happens then there will be little scope to try and improve the defence.hopefully we can add a bit of quality and not just add numbers like we had to do this season due to covid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joewarkfanclub 932 Report post Posted May 20 17 minutes ago, El Grew said: As others have posted I can’t argue with the release of the players on the club’s list. However I think there are still a few players left who IMO have shown that they’re not good enough to be playing at Premiership level: Mugabi (Contracted to May 2022) Carroll (Contracted to May 2023) Ojala (Contracted to May 2023) Goss (Contracted to May 2023) McGinley (Contracted to May 2024) Slattery (Contracted to May 2024) I appreciate that they are still under contract but they really do need to be gradually moved out. I also think that the manager has questions to answer surrounding his signing of Jordan Roberts and the loan signings of Liam Shaw and Victor Nirennold. Between them they only started 12 games and contributed the square root of f*ck all. Other than KVV who is very inconsistent, Slattery is the best footballer at the club.... 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yorkyred 791 Report post Posted May 20 I think Lamie is getting slightly talked up. Being the best of a very poor bunch does not automatically make you a good player. He’s very average at best in my view. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grizzlyg 710 Report post Posted May 20 3 minutes ago, Yorkyred said: I think Lamie is getting slightly talked up. Being the best of a very poor bunch does not automatically make you a good player. He’s very average at best in my view. Compared to ojala... Johansen and mugabi he is definitely better. I would definitely keep him 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfc 421 Report post Posted May 20 11 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: Compared to ojala... Johansen and mugabi he is definitely better. I would definitely keep him Ojala started off really well for us but after getting injured at pittodrie and being out for a while he hasn't looked the same,he seems to be quite injury prone in his career and maybe this time has been an injury to many.i think Johansen also started well but since coming back from the winter break he has been been poor,maybe playing the number of games he did before joining us had caught up with him.im hoping that after the summer break they might offer us something going forward.mugabi while having improved this season was starting to go backwards towards the end,the shuffling between centre half and right back isn't the answer.the defence needs some serious attention though as there's no way we can go into next season defending like we just did. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wellsince75 247 Report post Posted May 21 every defender in the team has deserved some criticism. It can't help to chop and change as often as we do. Get a settled back 4/5 in place. We need at least a very decent left back and ideally one very good central defender. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ohwulliewullie 164 Report post Posted May 21 8 hours ago, weeyin said: Wouldn't the players that sign PCAs just get snapped up at the end of the season by the same teams anyway? Not necessarily… I’ll use the example of Liam Grimshaw. It’s January ‘22 and he’s out of contract at the end of the season. Even if MFC hasn’t formally told him that he won’t be offered a contract extension, the writing’s on the wall and it’s not looking good. At least with the existence of PCAs (and the ability to ‘legally’ talk to other clubs) he and his agent can see what other options are out there. Kilmarnock (say) are interested, and he signs a two year contract, to start when his MFC one ends. Security for him and his family. Same scenario without a PCA. There may well have been an informal conversation with Kilmarnock (as we all know that kind of thing happens), and they shake hands on a rough agreement. Grimshaw comes on during the last game of the season for a farewell to the fans, gets injured and is out for six months. Kilmarnock renege on the gentleman’s agreement and the player is stuffed. I’m speculating here, but in those circumstances I can see why it makes sense for PCAs to exist. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ya Bezzer! 1,836 Report post Posted May 21 7 hours ago, mfc said: Ojala started off really well for us but after getting injured at pittodrie and being out for a while he hasn't looked the same,he seems to be quite injury prone in his career and maybe this time has been an injury to many.i think Johansen also started well but since coming back from the winter break he has been been poor,maybe playing the number of games he did before joining us had caught up with him.im hoping that after the summer break they might offer us something going forward.mugabi while having improved this season was starting to go backwards towards the end,the shuffling between centre half and right back isn't the answer.the defence needs some serious attention though as there's no way we can go into next season defending like we just did. Pretty much agree with that. The full back issue is really big. Carroll and O'Donnell are decent going forward but struggle defensively in a back four. I've never really been convinced by us playing three at the back, the Hearts game being a good example, we were much better 2nd half when we switched back. So what do you do? It's hard to see a solution with the existing resources. I'd be happy enough with Lamie and A. N. Other. Mugabi is fine as a 'John Philliben' type fill in at the back for injuries and suspensions. Ojala and Johansen both looked decent when they first arrived but have been injury prone and dodgy since then. In an ideal world I'd ditch McGinley and bring in a better defender at left back and bring in a strong central defender to partner Lamie - if he sticks around. O'Donnell needs to do better as well. He's a current international and should be a first pick but his form last season was all over the place, he made too many individual errors and I don't blame the manager for dropping him. Big improvements needed from him. I was enthusiastic about the signing but he's been a big disappointment for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yodo 218 Report post Posted May 21 On 5/19/2022 at 10:58 AM, Kmcalpin said: A link to the Blair Spittal rumour. https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/sport/football/blair-spittal-wanted-motherwell-graham-27001308 If that’s the quality of our targets then heaven help us he’s a championship player at best Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteelmaninOZ 277 Report post Posted May 21 Would take CK back. I think he really liked being here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spiderpig 1,166 Report post Posted May 21 3 minutes ago, Yodo said: If that’s the quality of our targets then heaven help us he’s a championship player at best So who should we be targeting then thats got lots of premiership experience, plays well and is in our price range, feel free to share your wisdom 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites