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Burrows said they were working on some things, so I don't think it's a case of GA being happy with what we have, but it's possible we're either waiting on specific people, or we're losing out to other teams.

I think we definitely need a few more in, but I don't think our squad is bad enough that we need to panic

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This is the best transfer window we have ever had!Why you ask?Because we are not rebuilding a whole bloody team as per and the players will know each others style of play from the off.Hence why the 3 year contracts we were dishing out and I suspect it will be same next year aswell.

More than happy Spittal and McGinn good solid SPL players we do have the all we need is to add a left back(which we won't) and front additions which I think we will.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, stv said:

Hope he disappears without a trace , what a complete waste of time training him up . 

“I hope a sixteen year old boy who I had never even heard of up until today goes on to have a terrible career because he doesn’t play for my team any more.”

 

Wise up man. 

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I watched the first two Scotland games at the u17 Euros and out of the two Lennon Miller was far more impressive than Rice. They were both 15 playing against older boys and Rice showed good touches but struggled badly with the pace of the game. In the first game Miller came on at half time and almost dragged Scotland back into it getting an assist and creating  a few other good chances. In the second he sat in front of the defence and was effective until he went off injured. 

Given the fact that we release boys every year without anyone blinking an eye then we just need to accept Rice or others choosing to leave as the flipside of that. 

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17 hours ago, weeyin said:

You have to wonder what strategy Rangers use to attract these signings. It can't be "look at all the youngsters we've signed that have gone on to prosper (or even make an appearance) in our first team".

Of course I know it's money and OF loylaty, but you'd hope that whoever is advising the kids would have the sense to see that it's always the youngsters that rack up first team games with us that are the ones who succeed.

It's a catch 22 situation really. We can say that it's best for a player to stay at Motherwell and look to progress to the first team, but what if that doesn't happen for whatever reason? Injury, loss of form, simply not being good enough.

The example a lot of fans use is Jake Hastie, claiming his move to Rangers wasn't a good move for him. I think his level of performance after that short purple patch for us shows he absolutely made the correct decision.

If he'd stayed at Motherwell he'd likely have shown the kind of form he did when he returned, which would have seen him slide down the pecking order and eventually get released. I don't think him not signing for Rangers would have seen him suddenly become a quality player who then won a big move a few years later.

As things stand, he's playing in League Two. The only difference is he's doing so with a relatively healthy bank balance from his Rangers deal, so he's come out a winner in that regard.

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11 hours ago, MJC_mkII said:

It’s certainly been dull and also highly concerning with the lack of signings, especially those of an attacking nature. I get this horrible feeling that GA is more or less happy with what we’ve got, so expect another season of eye bleeding football and dreadful form. This time though we don’t have Tony Watt to bail us out for half a season so unless we surpass the luck we got last year we could well be in serious relegation trouble in 22/23.

Not sure about that. We don't want a complete rebuild every season as that disrupts continuity as new players take time to settle.  That said, every team needs to bring in some fresh faces during the close season. From last season's squad I reckon we need about 4/5 signings quantity wise (we already have 2 of them).  The window has a long way to run and its best to take time to get the right men. Maybe you're hankering after the Robinson approach of getting a raft of new acquisitions in the door very early, now evident in Paisley. But they the right ones? 

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1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

Not sure about that. We don't want a complete rebuild every season as that disrupts continuity as new players take time to settle.  That said, every team needs to bring in some fresh faces during the close season. From last season's squad I reckon we need about 4/5 signings quantity wise (we already have 2 of them).  The window has a long way to run and its best to take time to get the right men. Maybe you're hankering after the Robinson approach of getting a raft of new acquisitions in the door very early, now evident in Paisley. But they the right ones? 

I totally agree,I'm glad we're not having to do a total rebuild this time and bringing in a new player every other day.this summer was always going to be quieter than most,I think we have brought in two solid players in mcginn and spittal and if we can get add the right quality in whoever else we bring in we will be just fine again this season.i do think we need to add two forward players that are better than shields and efford,I don't fancy the idea of relying on both of those as starters every week.im not sure we will be adding any more defenders unless someone leaves so let's hope there's some hard work being done over pre season to make us a lot more solid at the back.

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I hear alot of talk abour more forwards...we have Tierney n efford, granted the jury is out on efford,but remember where they've come from and when,moving mid season n trying t get up to speed at a higher level than where they played previously must b tough.a full pre season behind them n this year we may see the best of them,me personally i like tierney alot,id play him in a 10 role,was far too big a gap between our strikers n midfield n ross played that role great when he came on against hearts in 2nd last game when we were getting over run in the middle of the park,i dont know if GA can accommodate that in his system that he likes/uses,it wouldnt take too much tinkering with wot we have cos t b fair we were pretty gash  last year n i dont think it was mainly down t the players,i think the system was all wrong

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46 minutes ago, spudmfc said:

I hear alot of talk abour more forwards...we have Tierney n efford, granted the jury is out on efford,but remember where they've come from and when,moving mid season n trying t get up to speed at a higher level than where they played previously must b tough.a full pre season behind them n this year we may see the best of them,me personally i like tierney alot,id play him in a 10 role,was far too big a gap between our strikers n midfield n ross played that role great when he came on against hearts in 2nd last game when we were getting over run in the middle of the park,i dont know if GA can accommodate that in his system that he likes/uses,it wouldnt take too much tinkering with wot we have cos t b fair we were pretty gash  last year n i dont think it was mainly down t the players,i think the system was all wrong

Tierney was never ear marked to play if at all last season rather a development player - the manager has stated that. Circumstances brought him into the team.

Remains to be seen how Alexander will set us up moving forward. Asking a 20 or so year old to lead in that position  is a bit of an ask, up to now it’s the only role he looks suited to. It would take evolution to help develop with Spittal arguably added to do same.

Suspect you’ve answered why there was the gap between midfield & the forward line with your closing statement.

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2 hours ago, mfc said:

.i do think we need to add two forward players that are better than shields and efford,I don't fancy the idea of relying on both of those as starters every week.im not sure we will be adding any more defenders unless someone leaves so let's hope there's some hard work being done over pre season to make us a lot more solid at the back.

Think we need to cut Shields some slack until he is played in his correct position. At QOS he played through the middle running of a big target man (Dobbie) and scored for fun.

KVV is a one man band (blinkered IMO) to others round about him

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11 minutes ago, wellwell91 said:

Think we need to cut Shields some slack until he is played in his correct position. At QOS he played through the middle running of a big target man (Dobbie) and scored for fun.

KVV is a one man band (blinkered IMO) to others round about him

100 percent agree with you think if we played Shields through the middle with KVV doing his shithousery against centre backs  he would be much more effective.

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I’m with spudmfc / Tierney is a cracking talent and be a very decent no10.

also agree that shields needs some slack and be good as a forward pair .

what was obvious last year and is still obvious is ditch the front 3 rotation . Appreciate it makes as narrow but also create  space for wingbacks to get forward .

 

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I think one of the key questions for this year is if Ojala can be the player we all hoped he would be. I'm going yo give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was always playing through something and he'll be like a new signing this season. Maybe Sondre will settle now he's been here that bit longer and avoid the stupid stuff. 

I do think there will be another couple added to the squad but I don't imagine they'll be at left back or centre half. 

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2 hours ago, wellsince75 said:

I’m with spudmfc / Tierney is a cracking talent and be a very decent no10.

also agree that shields needs some slack and be good as a forward pair .

what was obvious last year and is still obvious is ditch the front 3 rotation . Appreciate it makes as narrow but also create  space for wingbacks to get forward .

 

 

2 hours ago, wellsince75 said:

I’m with spudmfc / Tierney is a cracking talent and be a very decent no10.

also agree that shields needs some slack and be good as a forward pair .

what was obvious last year and is still obvious is ditch the front 3 rotation . Appreciate it makes as narrow but also create  space for wingbacks to get forward .

 

WINGBACKS????,...SOD's best games last year were for scotland,im led t believe mcginn played right in a back 3 for hibs so that might free up the option of a flexible 5 in midfield,does put a question mark on the left side though,can rarely remember our fullbacks getting t the byline n putting crosses in bcos of the rigid system GA deployed

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3 hours ago, C&A not the shop said:

I do think there will be another couple added to the squad but I don't imagine they'll be at left back or centre half. 

Lewis Strapp from Morton would be a no bad shout for LB, as I remember he tore our defence a new one when we played them last season. 22 or 23 years old so someone to develop and possibly sell on. 

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36 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:

Lewis Strapp from Morton would be a no bad shout for LB, as I remember he tore our defence a new one when we played them last season. 22 or 23 years old so someone to develop and possibly sell on. 

Glossing over the fact he’s extended his stay at Morton, if we went for everyone who ‘tore our defence a new one’ last season we’d be heading for admin again. 

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12 minutes ago, Onthefringes said:

Glossing over the fact he’s extended his stay at Morton, if we went for everyone who ‘tore our defence a new one’ last season we’d be heading for admin again. 

An extended contract isn’t that great a barrier and I’m sure Morton wouldn’t be hard to deal with. 
Not saying that we should sign him, just thought that he would be an improvement and a potential money earner. 

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1 minute ago, Stuwell2 said:

An extended contract isn’t that great a barrier and I’m sure Morton wouldn’t be hard to deal with. 
Not saying that we should sign him, just thought that he would be an improvement and a potential money earner. 

It is if Morton aren’t in the market to sell.

As I suspect the club do, just don’t see the value in recruiting from Championship where development/transfer fees may be involved.

The management/recruitment team have made their squad choices for that left back berth. Anything from on here expecting different is just noise.

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1 hour ago, Onthefringes said:The management/recruitment team have made their squad choices for that left back berth. Anything from on here expecting different is just noise.

Noted

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Seen on the P&B thread someone linking us with Jordan McGhee at Dundee. Got to assume their new gaffer is saying he can find a new club to free up some wages or he had a relegation release clause as I couldn't see us paying for him.

Although most likely it's just made up nonsense.

However I do think he's the sort of player we'll see come in, a "defensive midfielder" with plenty of running in them.

Hardly an exciting signing but I can see the logic in it. Though as I said above, probably bollocks.

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On 7/1/2022 at 12:01 PM, spudmfc said:

I hear alot of talk abour more forwards...we have Tierney n efford, granted the jury is out on efford,but remember where they've come from and when,moving mid season n trying t get up to speed at a higher level than where they played previously must b tough.a full pre season behind them n this year we may see the best of them

This.

It's really amazing that a lot of people have written off Efford after him, as you say, coming in mid-season, playing a whole 16 matches for the club (not all starts), scoring 3 goals and getting an assist.

Scottish football is a whole different beast from US or European football and Efford has struggled with the physical side of the game but you have to give guys a chance to settle in and adapt.

It might turn out he's not good enough but our single biggest problem as a football club over the, say,  last 5 seasons, has been the absolutely monumental turn over of players.

We need a settled side and we need to promote 'Maguire' level players and give them game time.  Guys like Quinn, Murphy, Clarkson etc weren't great when they first came into the team and we need to get back to developing players over 2 or 3 seasons instead of concentrating on mercurial talent that gets sold on after 6 months to a year.  

Of course if another Turnbull comes along, great, but we need a longer term strategy for player development, either bringing players in or through our youth squad.

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In reply to C&A’s post…

He’s not a defensive midfielder though? Filled in there when not injured last season. Decent pedigree of where he’s been at a young age, good engine by all accounts. Read before his favoured position is right back & can play centre back. Ticks versatility box, would need a dominant centre back alongside? I’m not sure any of our current crop are dominant.

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55 minutes ago, Onthefringes said:

In reply to C&A’s post…

He’s not a defensive midfielder though? Filled in there when not injured last season. Decent pedigree of where he’s been at a young age, good engine by all accounts. Read before his favoured position is right back & can play centre back. Ticks versatility box, would need a dominant centre back alongside? I’m not sure any of our current crop are dominant.

Has Motherwell supporting regulars as family.

Fair comment, but could this be a reverse of Tom Hately, he thinks he's a right back but he's really best in midfield? 

 

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1 hour ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

This.

It's really amazing that a lot of people have written off Efford after him, as you say, coming in mid-season, playing a whole 16 matches for the club (not all starts), scoring 3 goals and getting an assist.

Scottish football is a whole different beast from US or European football and Efford has struggled with the physical side of the game but you have to give guys a chance to settle in and adapt.

 

I think people have given up with him because he can't pass the ball five yards.

 

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I'm prepared to hold off judgement on the players until they've had a full pre season and  wait until at least 15mins in to the first game before writing them off :laugh:

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