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  1. Its very easy for us fans to want maximum punishment of rangers but we dont run the club, we dont pay the players, coaches, office staff& tea ladies! We are not the ones who have to make a business decision that will secure the best interests of the club as a viable entity going forward!

     

    Now we have the Well Society, we should be the ones involved in such a business decision. So give us the facts and let us decide.

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  2. nice reward for the players busting us a gut to get us to the position we are in today, reduced terms!

     

    So yet again we have a thread discussing players moving on or having to accept reduced terms and the squad being shrunk again.

     

    Just because we discuss it, doesn't mean it's true. And I'm 100% sure that 99% of what is written on here is 110% guff.

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  3. If they are found not guilty of those issues then why would we worry - not guilty in a court of law is good enough for me. All the punishment they are suffering so far is for going into administration and other issues where the SFA have found them guilty - still good enough for me!

     

    All people are asking is that when found guilty, the punishment fits the crime.......

     

    Yes, but the question was about newco allowed back in the SPL. With appeals etc. the tax cases will likely be rumbling on years after the vote on any newco so we won't know the verdicts on the alleged crimes until long after the newco votes takes place.

     

    Or Rangers might come to a settlement with HMRC and pay them without admission of guilt. How does that affect punishment?

  4. Part of the problem is that the SFA and SPL know the answer to part of that but are waiting for HMRC to provide them an 'excuse' to act.

     

    I even think Rangers have conceded that in terms of the tax case they're goosed.

     

    I agree with that. My problem is that all this newco malarky (if it happens) will take place long before we hear the out come of the tax cases in particular. It's such a mess right now, I'm not sure what my preferred sanctions would be. If the SPL is serious about multiple year point deductions, stripping of 75% of revenues, change of voting structure, and maybe revocation of a Euro license for 2 or 3 years, I could live with that *if* administration/newco was all we were dealing with.

     

    If it is shown that there was years (or decades) of systematic cheating, I'd want newco kicked out the league.

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  5. The thing for me is it's not the debt or the going into administration. That could happen to anyone.

     

    It's the decades of systematic cheating with player contracts and tax avoidance to gain a competitive advantage.

     

    Allegedly of course.

     

    And it's the 'allegedly' that is one of the issues.

     

    What if Rangers form newco in June and are voted back into the SPL and subsequently found not guilty of any tax avoidance or player contract fiddling?

     

    Are people OK with that?

  6. Forget what other teams will or won't do,we have our destiny in our own hands and if we fail its our own fault.

     

    Exactly. Like I said before the St. Johnstone game, I'd much rather be in our position than Dundee Utd's position. All we need to be worrying about is winning our own games and 3rd position will be ours.

     

    You can't ask for more than being in control of your own fate.

  7. So the last three months is meaningless yet you are comparing their last four games against, not our last four games, but the opposition and get it wrong when we couldn't beat Hibs two weeks ago? Two of the four teams you mentioned dumped us out of both Cups but that is equally as irrelevant.

     

    Momentum is everything at this stage of the season. They have it. We don't.

     

    Do they still have it?

     

    Just sayin' like.

  8. so goodwin shouldn't take any blame for RBS?

     

    You are making my point for me now.

     

    As CEO. Goodwin was legally responsible for the corporate governance of his bank (which is one of the requirements when he signs off on the financial statements). So he held a a position equivalent to Boyle's.

     

    Nevin, while in an executive position, reported to Boyle which means that Boyle needed to provide appropriate corporate governance (including supervision of Nevin).

  9. The responsibility for the administration debacle, like any other company, starts and stops at the top. Boyle hired Nevin, and Boyle should have been diligent with his oversight.

     

    Thankfully, he learned from his mistakes, but JB was the man at fault.

  10. So the last three months is meaningless yet you are comparing their last four games against, not our last four games, but the opposition and get it wrong when we couldn't beat Hibs two weeks ago? Two of the four teams you mentioned dumped us out of both Cups but that is equally as irrelevant.

     

    It is meaningless. That is what I was pointing out. The past results - even last weeks, don't matter. It's like the NFL. The Giants sucked for large parts of the regular season, but put together 4 good games in the play-offs at the end to win the Superbowl.

     

    4 points will likely do it for us - last week is meaningless now.

     

    Momentum is everything at this stage of the season. They have it. We don't.

     

    They had it when they lost to Aberdeen. We didn't have it and still beat Aberdeen. It's still meaningless.

     

    Points are everything at this stage of the season, not momentum. It's still in our hands - you can't ask for better than that and I'd swap our current state for Utd's any day of the week.

  11. There is currently nothing to suggest that Dundee United will bottle the run in. So what if Aberdeen beat them. Go back and check their results for the last three months.

     

    Last 3 months is meaningless. Next 4 games is what counts. Last 4 games, Utd. beat Dunfermline, beat Hibs, lost to Aberdeen and beat St. Johnstone. 9 points from 12.

     

    Our most recent set of results against the same 4 teams is 12 points from 12.

  12. Yep, one of the worrying / annoying things about watching us lose 3-0 to that Celtic team was thinking that Dundee Utd would have beat them quite convincingly on that showing.

     

    Like they did against Aberdeen?

     

    Dundee Utd. will bottle it, like the last couple of times we have been fighting for a Euro place. It's much easier closing a gap than overhauling it.

  13. Yip. Someone made the pt today that should well lose tomorrow united are in control of there own destiny given that they still have to play us and have a Superior goal difference. A draw tomorrow delays that for the time being.

     

    If we lose tomorrow, we are still in control of our own destiny as we are ahead of all our rivals, and we still have to play Utd. at home.

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  14. I’m not sure what powers Well Society members will have in any Newco vote. However I’m 100% certain that the people with the power will vote a Newco Rangers straight back into the SPL.

     

    I think that is unfortunately true. And as far as I can tell, at least in the early days, the Well Society will only have a minority holding in the Board of Directors.

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