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Just caught up on this and what a fucking JOKE. Fuck it let's just put us all out our misery - go 8-8-8 and kill the game off once and for all.

Will be interesting to see how Moore gets on at cowdenbeath - first division is not a bad league. On that note, anyone know how our other young lads (Devlin, watt, etc) have been doing?

Totally agree its what we should be doing but 170k for ojamaa is hardly high. But we might be forced to accept it. Under normal circumstances we should be looking for 3-4 times that surely? I read in the paper today at lunch that we would not be due compensation for murphy can't find an Internet link though. Anyone know if that's true?? I automatically assumed we would be due it but don't actually know if I'm honest.

Read it in the paper today, the record I think but it's also here... http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/365650/Blades-Murphy-offer-not-good-enough

I don't understand why we have set an asking price of 100k for murphy. How would we not get more than that in compensation, given that Aberdeen got 200k compensation for grimmer?

200k for murphy would be shite considering the prize money up for grabs if 2nd is achieved. I expect us to lose a player or two in January but really hope we don't fuck this up considering. And with all respect, the youngsters they are offering dont fill me with confidence. Youngsters who can't get a game in the premiership, aye maybe.....youngsters who can't get a game in league 1? Hmmm....

Cant speak for devlin as not really seen him play (before or after injury) but surely it's a bit early to say that about Saunders. He's not really played in the last year. Lets see where he is after getting fit and after a run of games. I like Saunders, think he is a very good player and hope he fully recovers. He is a player who got international recognition after a good season remember.

Would obviously be gutted but also shocked if that happened. Purely because if he's a money grabber like templeton he'd have left last January. Also if he carries on playing well there will be a few better options on the cards for him.

Not his best game, wouldn't have said he was poor. Comment i made was more of a general comment though, not just today. Randolph too. Cant see lasley leaving but if we lose Randolph and hutchy in January wtf are we going to do? How good is hollis?

Yes, agree that cummins distribution is poor and definitely needs working on. Defensively though, he is probably as good as we have at the moment, bar hutchy.

Not sure what to make of it today. On one hand a 0-0 at home is disappointing but hearts defended well to be fair and you look at their back 4 - Grainger, Mcgowan, Zaliukas, Webster - all top pro's at this level, arguable the best back 4 in the league outside celtic? Hutchy was incredible today. Ojamma had a poor game, though not through lack of effort. Hateley, again, didn't turn up - story of the season. We have a small squad but McCall really needs to start having faith in the young lads to give us that much needed depth. Look at cummins, almost unheard of 6 months ago, drafted in through injury, established himself and now a real option for us. Not saying the same will happen for the others, but it certainly won't if they're just playing 5 minutes every other week. And drop hateley ffs, getting sick of watching him recently, get Devlin in there or something, cant be any worse just now.

Hutchy by a mile. What would we do without him and/or lasley?

Lawless in particular who wasn't even given a chance in our team - I only remember seeing about 10 mins of him in a cup game once. For me, our main problem is that we're obviously missing Jennings and that NO ONE in mccalls starting 11 does his role. Our only imposing midfielder now is lasley and when he commits forward, which he likes to do, our defence is massively exposed. I love nicky law as a creative exciting player, but not in that role. Why can't McCall just at least try giving carswell a run of games there FFS. On top of that, we have 2-3 passengers in the team which needs to be addressed. Having said all that I feel I've wasted my breath as I can guarantee I already know the starting 11 for next week.

FFS how bad does it need to be before a demotion?

For me, looking at the bigger picture, I don't think anyone can dispute that McCall has done a good job for us. Looking at the bigger picture that is. It's the lack of a plan B and the willingness to shake things up a bit that is frustrating. As someone else pointed out, under other managers (who have been less successful), if we played badly we could at least rest assured that the players weren't having an easy time of it and changes would be made accordingly but that doesn't seem to be the case just now. Ok we have a small squad but we also have a handful of hungry young lads who have shown they have something to offer. That for me is frustrating as a fan, not only on the playing side but also for the long term sustainability of the club - we need to develop talent to play in the first team and/or to sell on. I don't know if there should be more pressure from above for the manager to do this as surely it's a requirement of the job, no? Then again telling the manager who to play is a bit Romanov-esque. On the playing side, however, in mccalls defence he has had a shoestring of a budget to work with, budget cut from last season, no investment. Teams that have had this luxury (st j, hibs etc) are thriving this year. Which perhaps brings in to question the feasibility of, dare I say it, fan ownership. But what other options do we have?

I'd like to see a few changes for this match to freshen things up a bit. I would go: Randolph Hateley Ramsden hutch(if fit) hammell Hetherington carswell Humphrey lasley law OJ Defence been shaky especially if hutchy is still out so three natural centre mids will hopefully offer more protection than the last couple games. Leaves us 1 short up front so id give ojamaa the nod for his work rate. Big game for mccall and if he makes some changes to give us some fresh ideas we could bounce back. Can't see it happening mind you, will be the predictable line up and 2-1 st j.

He did book higdon for a foul on someone, not for the 50/50 early on though. For what it's worth, I think he is just an awful referee. I admit, for the most part it does look like he is bias against us but I know fans of other teams who think the same. He is a terrible, incompetent referee who ruins football matches. Should never have been able to ref at this level, never mind carry on doing so.

Highlights on the bbc. Left early so only just seen their 4th. There are no words

Every time we have O'reilly as ref I come away from the match fuckin raging. He ruins every match he officiates, how he ever made it as a top level ref in this country is a mystery. Absoluteley shocking performance from him AND his linesman.The linesman has had 2 big decisions to make, our goal and their 2nd pen. Gets them both horrendously wrong, will he be punished? Will he fuckk. Anyway, on to the football. I actually thought we played not bad, in the first half at least. Had a lot of attacking play but are just lacking that cutting edge, great to see OJ back in there causing problems, should never have been taken off. Its clear for all to see we need a centre mid. Law has the odd good game in there but not often enough and were missing him on the wing. Were struggling at the back, what to do about that I dont know, perhaps Saunders when he's fit will give us another option at centre half. I'm also fed up of Mccall forcing his favourite 11 into a formation, he's got to buck up his ideas or were going to spiral downwards. We have a small squad and in any other team in the country thats a great opportunity to promote youth. Carswell, ZFA, Hetherington and Mchugh have all shown they've got something, why the f**k arent they getting a fair shot at it??

Good points made by Jay. I felt the performance was a bit flat, we lost our shape a lot, particularly in the first half. Lasley was trying too hard to support Higdon and with him being our most imposing midfileder we then struggled when hearts got possession. Changed a bit when Carswell came on and on that note I thought Carswell looked excellent when he came on. Get Hateley back to RB and give him a run of games in there.

2-0 well, ojamaa and higdon. Not sure how much I rate this hearts side and reckon OJ will cause them problems. And £25?? Criminals.

Agree with most comments made, particularly the one about needing a leader. But IMO, we don't just need a leader, we need someone who the opposition fear, who will leave the boot in at times if necessary. Personally, like a lot of others, I don't like this style of play but our team at the moment is a bunch of jessies who players like Forrest and brown will run at all day.

Jeez, look at the bigger picture, currently top of the league, good last two seasons with finals and semi finals thrown into it on one of the lowest budgets in the spl. Questioning McCall is absolutely nonsense. In my opinion, we are crying out for a 'c**t' type player. Someone who doesn't care what fans, other players, the ref, etc thinks of them and is just a c**t. I don't mean someone like riordan - he is a ned c**t, I mean a professional c**t - someone like ian black, jim Goodwin, lee mcculloch, who will scream at a player for not pulling their weight, clatter an opponent if they get on their nerves and fears no one. Someone who the home fans love but the away fans hate. Someone like this in our team would be priceless but we don't have and haven't had anyone like this for a while.

Randolph Hateley hutchy cummins hammell Murphy hetherington lasley law Higdon OJ Would be my line up, but could just as easily be Kerr in at RB and hateley CM. Fancy murphy to have a good game......3-0 well (murphy, OJ, Higgy)