Ya Bezzer!

Unfortunately the sweet will fall during HT.

Go to make my dinner and miss two goals!

Always thought this season that St Johnstone were better than their league position and Dundee Utd were much worse. Even though they have been Top 6 most of the season I still think they are 1 of 5 teams that are potential relegation candidates. We need to beat relegation candidates....

Better on the ball than 90% of that squad. He's not a Turnbull type that single handedly turns the whole thing round, he's got a lot to learn and a lot of mistakes to make but by god he's a better player, with more potential than a lot of dross that's been played over him down the years. You don't do anything with non players. That shouldn't be something you even have to say but in Scottish football running about like a div is considered a footballing attribute over, say, passing, control, positioning, crossing, shooting.... I honestly despair at the garbage we give a chance over technically better youngsters. There is something badly wrong with our game but maybe, just maybe SOMEONE gets it now. I hope so.

As Motherwell win for the first time since October....

Lamie on never makes sense.

Radical thought but maybe we could...you know...score a third.

1-1!

I have no idea how true these figures are but.... if Long, Seedorf, White, Lamie, Chapman, Polworth and Grimshaw are earning the same or up to 50% more no wonder Allan Campbell looks 'jaded'.

Late to the game but not surprised by the score line or the performance.

I probably did see Edvaldsson play but don't remember specifically as that was right back at the beginning of my Motherwell supporting career and I was probably running about the terrace and more interested in swinging on the crush barriers. Nonetheless RIP big chap.

Totally agree. Mods need to have a long hard look at themselves. Personally I hadn't posted in the thread for a while but the topic is still absolutely relevant to this season and what's happening. If individuals are going too far in the thread deal with them separately. The official club media outlets can act as Motherwell Pravda. We don't need it here.

If you are 13 games without a win (including cup match) and you are bottom and you then you can't win against the team in 2nd bottom who is it you are actually going to beat? We have Dundee Utd at home afterwards which I think we have a reasonable chance in (depending on result on Wednesday) but after that we have four away games, including Celtic and Hibs, and our only home match is against Hamilton who seem to find it pretty easy to get points on our ground. My fear is if we don't win on Wednesday night or on Saturday our confidence just nose dives going into a tough fixture list. By the end of Feb the dye may well have been cast. We can't go 19 games without a win and expect to stay up. Realistically you are looking at 40 points to avoid the play off. We've got 19 points from 66. We now need 21 points from 45 points. That's a big step up in performance. Time is running out rapidly. In my opinion we need to win against County. We need to win for ourselves but we also have to take 3 points off a rival.

That's an issue but not the whole story - how many chances have been missed by the strikers this season? You could probably make a 'highlight' reel out of just Watt's misses alone. And I've said it before and I'll say it again - not one of our strikers has any kind of goal scoring record throughout their careers. You need a Moult, a Sutton, a Higdon, a McDonald in the squad. At least one guy with some kind of goal scoring pedigree. We don't have any. Watt has probably been one of the better players this season but if we are depending on him for goals we're fucked.

Maguire's started 4 matches in midfield this season and we won 2 of them. In fact we haven't won since he last played there. Polworth needs to be dropped as he is a complete liability in a relegation dog fight. And no harm to Crawford but I just don't see what he adds. I actually think the back 4 and goalkeeper, on paper at least, looks like the best part of our team. 14 matches this season we've conceded 1 goal or less. We've conceded a lot less goals than Ross County or Hamilton. The big issue for me, right from the start of the season, has been the lack of a goal scorer in the squad. 19 goals in 23 matches is the major problem. Then when you consider we had two big wins, 4-0 v Ross County and 3-0 v Aberdeen and that leaves 12 goals in 21 matches. Horrific. Our shooting stats are abysmal.

Must win. We cannot continue to not win matches. And if we lose this you can see a full blown collapse in confidence that could lead to a death spiral. We've just got to dig it out somehow. Next two games are massive.

I never said they had done a bad job. I just pointed out that most of the financial windfalls that we've profited from recently have been out with the control or any planning that the board could have made...and that we shouldn't get too smug about our current financial situation. And I think there is such a thing as hubris and for some of our supporters to criticise other clubs, particularly since we've survived off loans for a lot of our recent history, is a bit hypocritical. As I said Scottish football is not exactly a money printing machine. I'm not saying it will be the case, but a year or two down the line it's possible that we might need similar assistance, especially as we have no idea how the whole covid situation is going to go and that it's looking like Turnbull might well be our last big sale for a while. With regards to finances and the whole covid situation I think too many of our supporters lack a little bit of foresight and revel too much in 'we're alright Jack' mindset not realising that if you can guarantee one thing in life it's that circumstances are in a constant state of flux and when bad things happen, usually, you didn't see them coming.

I don't think anyone is blaming Alexander for our predicament but the New Manager Bounce has amounted to 2 points from 9. We've also blown 2 leads in 3 matches. It's 13 months since we came back from losing a goal, 1 clean sheet in 12 and we've scored 19 goals in 23 matches (only 4 in the last 10). There are only so many excuses for not winning that you can come up with. An overview of the season....

I'm not saying we are definitely going down BUT we've not come back from going behind for over a year and we are averaging less than a goal per game so, you know, I think it should at least be crossing your mind as a possibility.

As far as I know Killie negotiated a small fee with St Mirren to move Brophy on early and let's face it bringing in a player for less than half a season, probably on loan, is not going to be a huge amount of money compared to overall operating costs. I also think our 'financial astuteness' is being over egged a bit. Covid actually did us a big favour getting us a 3rd place and Europe that we probably wouldn't have got otherwise and of course selling a once in a generation talent for a record fee is something that only happens.....well once in a generation. Looking ahead is difficult but I think there is still a strong chance there will be fan restrictions next season and perhaps during the winter no fans at all. Scottish football is in a perilous financial situation and a year or two down the line there is no knowing what will happen, especially with a potential relegation hanging over us. I don't think we should be getting too full of ourselves. Seems to me our current situation is more fortune than astuteness.

Worst run in 25 years and we don't have a van der Gaag to hit free kicks.

Well we are having to go and do something we haven't managed all season now....

Had a look and that was over two seasons, 3 in 1987/88 and 16 in 1988/89. By the way, the team we had then! Wishart, Philliben, Paterson, McCart, Boyd, Farningham, Russell, Kirk, Arnott, Griffin, Gahagan, O'Neill, Dolan, Maxwell....

The last time we went 11 without winning it was 19 years ago and we finished bottom of the league. I don't even know if we've gone 12 without winning, probably going back to 1991/92 or the mid 80s. [Edit - 15 in 1995/96] We need to start winning not matter who we are playing or where we are playing and that latter point is relevant as we have 6 away matches in the next 8 matches. A good result would be huge, a defeat would be.....worrying.

Clearly stated it was since Louis Moult joined the club. Obviously not clearly enough though.