MelvinBragg

If you're looking at former players and after a goalie with good distribution, I gather Trevor Carson is unhappy being second choice at Dundee...

Watt and Fadinger as a combination are fantastic. Real drop off when one of them isn't there...

I don't feel the subs helped us today. I actually think taking Said off was a factor. He was picking up the ball in space between their midfield and defence and while not everything was coming off, it was making things happen...

Goalie? If the manager doesn't feel Oxborough is good enough with the ball at his feet...

I think if Balmer goes, we sign one centre back. Also wouldn't be surprised if we signed a left sided centre back who can also play left back (like Charles Dunne, except good) so making it one defender brought in rather than two.. Might see a midfielder but with the arrival of Priestman and McGhee able to play defensive midfield, thr manager may feel he has Just for attacking midfield and can move Fadinger forward to it if required... I know managers always say this but the manager (and Caldwell the other day) made mention of getting the right players. And we haven't signed many jersey fillers this summer. Wondering if that might mean that JBA would rather go with what he has rather than sign the 'wrong' player...

And was a disaster there..

Yep, two points dropped...

Many shite players have scored against us to help us lose to many shite teams led by many shite managers...

Two surprises in one day. I suspect a 3-0 lead at Tynecastle was the first surprise...

I think you make a fair point. My expectations are always avoid relegation and see what happens. Invariably I expect us to finish around 8th. But there are different ways to finish 8th in the league. We could grind our way there or we could play the way we're playing just now, win a few and lose a few but entertain along the way. Would I like us to finish as high ip the league as possible? Of course. But I enjoyed watching Butcher's team that finished bottom more than Alexander's team that finished fifth. Basically I want Motherwell to be as successful as possible but don't know if I want that if it means watching dreadful football...

If a point in Tynecastle can be described as a bump in the road, we really are raising standards...

I know and agree with your point. I was just responding to the person saying that his team were in the lower reaches of the Belgian second tier...

His team just got relegated from the top tier...

Or Gordon or McGhee being rushed into action...

Aye, definitely two points dropped...

Did Rangers fans not also cause a lot of damage to the disabled section at Rugby Park? Like others, I'm inclined to say they're both as bad as each other behaviour wise...

Looking at our bench, I can see the logic in their tactics...

Suspended apparently...

Manager making it very clear that Nick Daws had been tracking him. Interesting..

Twelve league goals isn't a bad return, I grant you. But four were against us and generally everyone agrees we were shite last season... I don't think anyone is quibbling that he's better than what we have. But all summer I've read people on here saying we should go for him "take the money for Stamatelopolous and go and get Ronan Hale". People are talking as if he’s the only striker out there.. I don't believe he's worth what County will want for him...

I don't disagree about the playoffs. In my opinion, any of our managers with a background in Scottish football would have gone into those games with the 'wee team' mentality. Baraclough seemed to have the 'we're a Premier League side, they're a Championship side' mentality. Even more impressive, he got that mentality temporarily into players that had shrunk against the Old Firm before...

Oh, I know his numbers are impressive. But he's never stood out when I've watched his teams play. But then for years, any time I watched Spurs play, Harry Kane was shite. His numbers suggest that wasn't always the case...

Glad it's not just me. Never been overly impressed by him...

I suspect wages would be an issue...

McLean won a trophy and established us as a Premier League side so he's probably the best (certainly most important) in my lifetime. I haven't seen anyone mention him yet, but Craig Brown did a pretty good job. Obviously as he got poached.. Personal favourites were Butcher and McCall. Both came with no previous connection to the club but really seemed to develop a real affection for us. They "got it" for want of a better phrase... Others gave the impression they thought they were doing us a favour by simply lowering themselves to be here (Black and McGhee obviously).. Worst? Probably Malpas or Kampman. I'll forever excuse Baraclough out of this conversation because of the playoffs...