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2 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:
That figure seems a much larger amount to us than to Bristol City. They can afford more than that.
The value of any player is generally determined according to who's selling, not who's buying. They'd pay more if he was with an English club, because they'd have to.
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42 minutes ago, wellgirl said:
That's a derisory offer
How much do you think he's worth?
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33 minutes ago, steelboy said:
Because McMahon and Weir don't like the look of the new Society board.
What do McMahon and Weir not like about them?
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43 minutes ago, SteelmaninOZ said:
It might be this one
Ominous. I'll no sleep tonight.
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1 hour ago, steelboy said:
The club have put out a Liam Kelly highlights video... an ominous sign.
Where's that?
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I wanted to vote for Bair, but Jim McMahon forced me to vote for some guy called Barmack. So I hear.
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1 minute ago, wellgirl said:
As other people have said - where are the Well society going to find other money from? Unless there are cash reserves somewhere. I know it's possible that they could ask for extra donations from members. My whole issue with fan ownership is that there simply aren't enough members to make it work. No more than that - and I'm a member.
The argument seems to be, if we get reasonable investment from one source, that source is going to demand control of the club. That's a logical argument.
If we don't want to entertain that possibility, smaller amounts will need to come from multiple sources. If businesses etc are out there, ready and willing to hand money to Motherwell without any say in how it's spent, why haven't they come forward before now, and why hasn't anyone at the club or WS previously identified them? Failing that, we're looking at appeals for those extra donations, raffles or bucket collections - which only feed into the 'we're skint' narrative, apparently.
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1 hour ago, Pepper said:
That's not what I actually said though.
I'm not even disputing the fact that it is going to be challenging for the Society to raise investment.
I'm not sure about this guy and I'd be naturally wary of any outside investor. But I don't think we can afford to dismiss this, or any other, approach out of hand until the WS have been given a go at finding more money, unless they have a very clear, realistic plan already formulated.
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7 minutes ago, Pepper said:
The point I'm making is that the Society, at the very least, should have been given the chance to raise that investment whatever form it may take, without being undermined by those running the Club.
It sounds very like yourself, and some others on here, have taken the stance that any outside investor should be hunted, even before any discussions as to their intent, because their intent will inevitably be bad.
You might well be right, but it can't be that simple. The Well Society is a large group of individuals, so not everyone will share that view, obviously. And the glaring questions remain - whre will the Society drum up substantial no strings attached investment, and why wait till now to start doing something about it?
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2 minutes ago, Pepper said:
If those in charge of the Club are so in favour of retaining fan ownership why did they effectively cut the Society out by seeking direct outside investment that would likely require the Society to relinquish majority control?
The suggestion that any investor is not going to want full control is laughable. Why have the Society vote othereise? Speculation or not do people really need to have it spelt out to see what's in the pipeline?
IMO the Chief Exec and Chairman should have shown the Society as majority shareholder more respect and at least challenged those involved to attract additional investment and up funds. The freshening up of the Society board gives me a lot of confidence that they are more than capable of achieving something very positive. The timing of the whole thing is awful and has almost set the Society up to fail.
I think it is lost on a awful lot of people just how significant majority fan ownership is and how it was a once in lifetime of the Club occurrence. Giving that up for anything short of a truly spectacular level of investment is crazy.
If it's left to the Well Society to find additional investment, where would that come from, given the idea any investor is not going to want full control is laughable, in your opinion? Or do you want them to find thousands of new members willing to donate money on a regular basis?
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2 minutes ago, wellgirl said:
I think no is the answer to that
That was my understanding too.
All kinds of arguments and complaints can be made about the Society's lack of communication or lack of say in big decisions over the years, and folk can claim that certain people are set on engineering a certain outcome, but if the final decision has to be taken according to the result of a membrship vote, legally, then there's no getting away from that. That some folk won't like that decision is inevitable, whichever way it goes.
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5 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
As the majority shareholders the WS members having the final say on any major decision taken by the club over the years should have been normal practice. But from what the members have said including yourself the consultation / communication etc has been zero, so as I said is there any confidence that this approach will change as it needs to?
Can someone buy majority control without a vote from WS members?
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1 hour ago, steelboy said:
Goss, Cornelius, Furlong and Butcher before he got injured.
Furlong and Butcher were decent for a period of a few months, that's all. Butcher's been out injured or poor all season, now he just looks done.
Goss and Cornelius were part of a squad that got 2 managers sacked and was dropping like a stone towards the Championship. The team only started performing consitently - in a positive sense - after Kettlewell arrived.
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49 minutes ago, steelboy said:
It was only 12 months ago that we had a team performing consistently with 9/10 outfield players at a good level plus a donkey target man.
If you look at the team on Saturday you could generously say 5 reach that standard. Maintaining the standards that we have set recently isn't an impossible task.
I understand why the club want to decieve the fans about how much money they spend and why Kettlewell lies and says making top 6 is punching well above our weight but I don't understand at all why supporters want to lower the bar so much.
Could you tell me which good level players you're referring to, leaving aside Van Veen, Johnston and the guys who are still here?
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4 hours ago, steelboy said:
The budget available isn't in question for next season but we need the manager to prove he can bring in permanent signings who can play 30-40 games at a consistent level.
If he brings in players who play at a consistent level, you're not going to like the level. Look around the league, even the top 2 can't buy consistently good players. Bair has (to this point) outscored last season's top marksman, who cost Celtic £4.5million.
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21 minutes ago, grumpy said:
Yes, he taught me at Dalziel, barking mad, you just had to look him in the eyes to see that. I think he went to Garrion (Clyde valley) later, a few 'Well fans may have had to put up with his tender mercies.
I had Armstrong for Maths too, good teacher, I have a memory of him holding a pupil by his ankles with his head dangling in the bin, something else you wouldn't get away with now.
Ah, that's why I don't remember Armstrong, I had Hynd at Garrion. His speciality was hanging up kids' jackets, while they were still wearing them.
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14 minutes ago, wellfan said:
Some people will blame the bad weather on the Scottish Government if it fits their agenda. Ignore them.
Good advice.
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8 minutes ago, Electric Blues said:
Let's just say he wouldn't have got away with it these days!
Speaking of things you wouldn't get away with these days, did you ever have Mr Armstrong for maths?
Don't remember the name. Sounds like I would have, though....
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58 minutes ago, steelboy said:
Aye but they obviously plan them out to avoid having big fixtures at the end. You never see Man U vs Liverpool last game of the season.
The Scottish Government love using football to deflect from their failings so the SPFL are right to take every precaution. Don't forget that Sturgeon cancelled fixtures and threatened to shut football down because Aberdeen players went for a pint in a pub that was legally open or that Youssef reported Rangers players to Police Scotland on the basis of an obviously doctored video he saw on Twitter. Scotland doesn't have a normal government when it comes to football.
You're not seriously blaming this, or any other, Scottish government for the bigot brothers' inability to behave like rational human beings, are you?
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2 hours ago, steelman1991 said:
Then the inevitable doing from Queens Park brought us down to earth - that was the start of the inevitable slide that utlimately cost Hynd his job.
And then he rolled up as my PE teacher. If he treated the players anything like he treated kids, no surprise he was sacked.
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Me and my dad often talk about going to the Cowdenbeath game. The 3-2 comeback against Celtic in the 3rd round probably fired everyone up, and that team could easily have beaten anyone on their day - losing those 2 semis was an education on being a Motherwell fan.
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4 minutes ago, AllyMax said:
I might be wrong but I think that Pettigrew lob was in the 2-2 cup quarter final, which was followed up with a replay draw at Easter Road and ended with a 2-1 win at a neutral venue (Ibrox). As you say, that cup run ended with one Masonic ref giving Rangers a penalty when Derek Johnstone stepped on the ball about 2 yards outside the box but managed to land on the penalty spot. The scum went on to win 3-2 and the ref was later found guilty of taking bribes over a European game.
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Still, amusing to see Rangers beaten by the RC.
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8 points ahead with 15 to play for should be enough for us, though the experimentation will need to wait for now. This is where our ability to rescue draws from the jaws of defeat will come in handy.
2024/25 Ins & Outs Discussion
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Problem is, his worth isn't up to us, the buyers will decide that. If he is willing to sign a new contract, fair enough. Otherwise, the clock is already ticking and selling in January would greatly reduce our chances of finding a decent replacement.