bobbybingo
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1 hour ago, robsterwood said:
I don't want a manager that says top 6 is punching "well" above our league. We been top 6 loads over past 10 year. Is it such a massive ambition?
4 times in the last 10 seasons. Wouldn't be my definition of loads.
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9 minutes ago, santheman said:
We all thought the same today till we looked at the league tables and realised we're no different to all the teams round about us.
Hibs won 9
Mwell won 8
St J won 7
Ross Co won 6
Puts it into a bit of perspective
The number of defeats across the league adds more perspective. Barring a total collapse in our final 5, this season will see the fewest number of defeats since we finished 3rd.
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Just now, texanwellfan said:
Home games?
Ah, right 👍
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1 minute ago, steelboy said:
4 wins from 17 in the league. We have two chances to improve that but I think it ties with the Admin season as a low at the moment
Why 17?
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3 minutes ago, MJC said:
Super strike from Blaney at the death but ultimately it means nothing. Another mediocre result in a mediocre season and keeping with the tradition of the campaign we score a last minute equaliser to steal a draw, which still isnt good enough.
A win wouldn't have been good enough for top 6. At least we're not Hibs.
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8 minutes ago, Yoshi-1991 said:
Could play till midnight and not score here
How far did the bloody clocks go forward?
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9 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:
Not too much to argue about there.
Devine probably better foing forward than SOD, but SOD has been pretty steady at the back this season. Probably his best since he joined us.
I like Mugabi in the centre of the 3 just to clear the ball at set pieces, but maybe not so much an issue v Hibs.
The rest picks itself.
Devine's injured and out altogether.
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1 hour ago, steelboy said:
In terms of the takeover I think it's pretty obvious that the Well Society has a cuckoo in the nest who has effectively taken over the Society with the intention of ending fan ownership.
Who is that?
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54 minutes ago, steelboy said:
I can't wait to see all "We'll never be asked to give up majority control" people switching to "well 35% is still a good shareholding" overnight.
It's a certainty.
If you want to continue with fan ownership, why are you so excited to see folk vote for a takeover you believe is inevitable - just so you can say, I was right?
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7 minutes ago, steelboy said:
I meant whoever leaked to Gavin McCafferty is standing up for fan ownership.
Nick McPheat asked Barmack if he wanted majority control and he didn't deny it.
I know what you meant - even though Gavin McCafferty (as far as I can see) didn't mention an unnamed insider as the source of his statement, he just came straight out with it.
I'm not ideologically for or against fan ownership, but if we continue down that road I don't expect us to be shopping for players or managers anywhere other than where we currently are. I can accept that, as long as the club survives. Will you?
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9 minutes ago, steelboy said:
Barmack is giving interviews to the BBC about the deal so I'm glad someone is standing up for fan ownership even if they can't put their name to it.
Keep the leaks coming
Standing up for fan ownership by saying he wants to end it. If that's true, fair enough - prove it.
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6 minutes ago, steelboy said:
It's being published by a reputable journalist who is a huge Motherwell fan. Why not take him at his word?
Because he provides no proof of his statement. He may be right, he may be wrong, but since when were journalists guardians of the truth?
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42 minutes ago, steelboy said:
Journalist Gavin McCafferty who's father was the first Well Society chairman confirming that we will be asked to give up majority control.
Can you confirm where he got this confirmation from?
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19 hours ago, David said:
The Rancid put out a report today that mentioned Rangers had already beaten Dundee and taken three points from Dens Park "last night."
The fact they don't even seem to know what day it is makes me question anything they have to say regarding us.
Looks like they've got their celebrity obituary writer doubling up with the fitba reports now.
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1 hour ago, Big Stall said:
Given that wee (john boyle or Nevin i think) were trotting out the 'fir park micro-climate' excuse. I dont think we can be too critical of Dundee bringing out their own crazy statements
As fans, we can. Our lot were talking pish, their lot are talking pish.
That's 25% of their home game bit the dust so far. Can anyone remember how many postponements we had?
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4 minutes ago, steelboy said:
We've already been asked that. If you don't walk about with your eyes closed you'll know it's easy to get people to vote against their own interests.
What I'm expecting is an offer where we initially go equal with the American and it leaves McMahon, Weir, Dickie etc with the swing vote.
It's worth remembering that the Society used own 76% of the club and sold 5% at a huge discount not long ago. That reduced the Society's legal status as majority owner and it would be interesting to know who bought the shares.
The model we have gives Society members the right to vote on the future ownership of the club. The fact that you disagree with how some will vote and believe folk are easily manipulated, clueless morons doesn't render that model flawed or meaningless.
Can't help you with the name of the person who bought those shares, but you're probably looking for someone sporting a top hat and a black, twirly moustsche.
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9 minutes ago, steelboy said:
I went to a Well Society meeting years about expanding to a 14 team league with a 6-8 split. At the beginning of the meeting virtually everyone in attendance was against the proposal. Two hours later due to bullshit, lies and spin from Leeann Dempster everyone in attendance apart from three people voted for it. With a straight face she told the meeting that the 12 team league set up with 1 relegation place and 1 playoff place that we have now had for 10 years would put the viability of the club at risk and that auditors would refuse to sign off on our accounts. Time has showed that she was lying through her teeth but in the meeting there was no way to argue against her.
The side in favour of American ownership has the backing of the individuals currently controlling the club and the PR resources they can muster. At the moment no one has stood up and made a case for the fan ownership and what it has achieved over the past seven years. If that continues it's pretty much guaranteed the members will give the club away.
Ok. So the answer to my question is, no - the membership's vote will determine whether any vote goes through or not.
Yes or no - would you, under any circumstances, be prepared to consider giving up fan ownership?
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8 hours ago, Casagolda said:
He clearly had the intent on having an investor take a majority shareholding otherwise there would have been no straw poll of Well Society members to ask that very question.
Your proof that he intends to sell investors a majority shareholding is that Society members were asked whether they would consider such a possibility or reject it out of hand - would that not be prudent when talks with any potential investors reach a certain stage, irrespective of any individual's views?
And can an individual push such a deal through without the Well Society members voting in favour of it?
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39 minutes ago, steelboy said:
The video he paid for that says we are looking for American investment.
Ok. Can you quote the bit where anyone says anything about selling them majority shareholding, or is that just your personal take on what he meant?
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48 minutes ago, steelboy said:
The rumoured proposal is the American taking 51% of the club for £1.5m investment. The question put to the Society members was about losing the majority shareholding. It's fair to assume that's what's going to be on the table even if the money is different.
We don't even know if anyone is asking about long term protections in the negotiations. We seem to be expected to trust McMahon to act in the interests of the shareholders when he has already spent a large sum of his own money promoting the idea of giving an American the majority shareholding. Clearly he has a personal interest.
Hopefully we will be able to put questions forward to get details about not only what the American wants but also what he has ruled out before any vote but the way things have been handled so far doesn't make me optimistic.
When did he promote the idea of giving an American the majority shareholding?
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3 hours ago, steelboy said:
A load of shite like wanting to secure that no one can ever sell Fir Park for a profit and pocket the cash?
Talking to folk about their concerns won't secure that.
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3 hours ago, wellfan said:
Given our defence is leakier than Downing Street, I'll focus my comments on those players now.
- SOD will be 32 in May and should have a few years left in him, but probably not as a marauding RWB for much longer. He's local, so I'm sure he'd accept a new deal if offered, but it's anyone's guess what those terms would/should be.
- McGinn will be 34 in October and probably has another season at least left at this level, so we may offer him a 1-year deal as he's versatile and reliable, and his experience will help the younger boys. However, I can see another SPL club offering him a 2-year contract with, likely, improved wages, which he would be wise to take.
- Bevis is a bit of an unknown. He's been here for what feels like a long time, and he's now an international captain, which is incredible for him. This new status will likely have his agent's ears pricked up, meaning he'll be getting touted for a higher wage to other clubs, although this could be something we accept and offer him a new deal anyway.
- Butcher appears to be finished at this level and shouldn't be offered a new deal. He's an Obika, unfortunately.
- Blaney is under contract, has found his way into the team lately, and may decide to see out his deal, but that all depends on what conversations Kettlewell has had with him.
- Casey. Let's hope he continues to improve and learn. His strengths and passion are there for all to see, as well as his weaknesses. He'll get a proper pre-season this year.
- Elliot. Does he exist? Why was he signed?
- Gent's loan will end, and he's out of contract at Blackburn, meaning he's likely out of our price range, although I would love to sign him. He's been fantastic and seems to be flourishing. He can even play as an inside forward.
- Monty is already back at Celtic, recovering from an injury, although we may see him come off the bench for us in May. Good luck to the lad, whatever happens, as his cameo was impressive.
- Devine. Back to Rangers. He would benefit from going out on loan to a lower league for a spell.
- Wilson. He'll return to us from Beith, and his contract expires in May. I'm not sure what will happen next.
- I've no clue about the other young lads and won't comment.
From what I've read, Gent's contract appears to run till 2025. Completely agree, he's been great for us. If there's any realistic way of getting him back next season, we're surely looking at that, rather than spending money on one or two unknown quantities to replace him. He seems happy here and must realise he's well liked, which are good starting points, although a chance at Blackburn or bigger vultures swooping will obviously kill us.
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22 minutes ago, steelboy said:
On the one hand you have the club chairman Jim McMahon funding a marketing campaign to give the impression that we need an American investor when he was in secret talks with an American investor.
On the other hand you have "We believe the fan ownership model has - over the piece - been successful". They can't even bring themselves to say it's worked without adding in a weird qualifier. What does - over the piece - even mean?
You know what 'over the piece' means. Nothing's perfect.
It sounds like you believe they should make an unequivocal statement on this right now. Out of interest, which side do you think they should come down on?
Motherwell v Hibernian 13/04/2024
in Club Chat
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You said the past 10 years, so that's the figure I quoted. 6 out of 12 is better - since the introduction of the split, it's something like 11 times out of 23 we've made it, so more or less a 50% success rate over the years. Prior to that, our league finishes would also be a very mixed bag.
It's perfectly reasonable to hope for top 6, to expect it is pushing things. If you based your expectations on our budget and attendances, we're definitely looking at bottom 6.