weeyin Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I think Albi does have a point, that it's not too far a leap (rightly or wrongly) for over zealus security to link 'young guys with flags and drum' with last seasons 'young guys with smoke bombs.' It would certainly be a reasonably defendable position for the security guard in question to put forward. Not if the police had already indicated that they approved of their entry. I imagine if they had any misgivings about disturbances or smoke-bombs etc. they would have supported the security guard's position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Not if the police had already indicated that they approved of their entry. I imagine if they had any misgivings about disturbances or smoke-bombs etc. they would have supported the security guard's position. Im not saying its right, infact I think its shocking whats happened, Im just saying that if the security guard was present with the smoke bombs last season, then its reasonable to think she might possibly associate the two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Im not saying its right, infact I think its shocking whats happened, Im just saying that if the security guard was present with the smoke bombs last season, then its reasonable to think she might possibly associate the two! Even so, surely her decision of not allowing over 50 paying punters into the game because they displayed "attitude" must be called into question. Also, her actions of barring the lads way to the main office tells me that she wasn't too keen on her paymasters hearing about what was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickoza Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Dundee United have lost over a grand thanks to this. Over 50 Motherwell fans have been denied watching their team. All over an "ifs, buts, maybes" pile of pish. Can't imagine their Chairman, given their debt, is pleased to lose one entry fee never mind that many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Even so, surely her decision of not allowing over 50 paying punters into the game because they displayed "attitude" must be called into question. Also, her actions of barring the lads way to the main office tells me that she wasn't too keen on her paymasters hearing about what was going on. Totally agree with you. I was just pointing out that Albi's point might not be as unreasonable as posters first believed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browni Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Albi has a point, to a certain extent. This season though, the young lads are going through all the proper channels to ensure that flags & drums are allowed in whichever ground they visit. To be turned away by some jobsworth must have been really sickening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_M_F_C Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Albi has a point, a shite one but its a point. No proof of weather it is the group(its not) that has let off smoke bombs. If they could prove it is us(its not) I could see there point. Since we're being considered as the guilty party in this(we're not) it seems ridiculous that they can reject us. I personally was dragged down the street by the arm by a police officer after the chief steward accused me of telling her to "piss off" so the woman in question was lying about us, considering us as the people who set off smoke bombs(we're not). After explaining one banner read "never mind the boo boys lets make some real noise" we were told "Dundee United are not a political club and will not have these messages displayed in their stadium. We offered to return the flags and drums to the bus and just go in, they then said no. The police were concerned at this point that the stewards were causing a scene and making it worse than it was. At this point the 3 of us went to the home end. One steward out side the stand, no police, and we seen one steward inside. The banner was rolled out with no concern from police or stewards. One rule for them one rule for us 'cos we've set off smoke bombs?(we've not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 As someone who deals with complaints every day I think that is a tough letter to answer which from the point of view of the customer is what you are looking for. Though I think someone said before it sounds a bit of a witchhunt against the member of staff - your gripe is with the situation not the person; the person just caused the situation. I think the other tactic is to be a pain in the arse. If you get no reply or a sort of reply that tells you nothing keep at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-in-Oz Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 It was Professor Plum in the Main Stand with the Smoke Bomb case closed. Not sure going to the office would work anyway tbh if it was us at home against the OF do you honestly think a bunch of they manky bastards would get into out office on a matchday to make a complaint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelmaninOZ Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 It was Professor Plum in the Main Stand with the Smoke Bomb case closed. Not sure going to the office would work anyway tbh if it was us at home against the OF do you honestly think a bunch of they manky bastards would get into out office on a matchday to make a complaint? Are you saying our away support are manky bastards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I think the other tactic is to be a pain in the arse. If you get no reply or a sort of reply that tells you nothing keep at it. Yes, I'd keep at it if you don't get any early success. Its the kind of situation that will gather more and more support if its handled in the correct way. The first step though is an unpublicised letter to the club. If the organisation I work for received a letter like that all hell would break loose. In terms of the stewards suggesting or insinuating that the group has "previous" I think the onus would be on them to prove that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Was the smoke bomb at Tannadice not when Porter was still playing for us on the 4-0 game? That was aaages ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daver Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 There was a smoke bomb at Dens last season and, while I wasn't at Tannadice on Saturday so I don't know if it's still the case, the same stewards worked at both grounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 The smoke bomb is irrelevent. if someone brings it in then the authorities deal with that using the regs that are in place for that. There shouldn't be ad hoc / knitted rules in place to stop people bringing flags into the ground when they've sought approval and it's been granted. So the folk were entitled to enter the ground yes? So the folk had gained prior approval for displays etc. yes? So they shouldv'e got in - pretty simple So anybody bringin a smoke bomb will get chucked oot yes? Aye, I think everybody gets that. you can't make the rules up as you go along and the two things aren't related. I'm pretty sure the boys would have offered up their displays for inspection after having taken the trouble to gain approval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho1991 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Scottish football stewards are fannys pure and simple. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-in-Oz Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 Are you saying our away support are manky bastards? Not at all im saying the OF are manky bastards. Although to be fair i reckon most home supporters consider the away fans to be manky bastards therefore the Utd stewards probably did consider our mob to be manky bastards. I just think for security reasons as much as anything i don't think any away supporter would be able to gain access to the club's main office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 I just think for security reasons as much as anything i don't think any away supporter would be able to gain access to the club's main office. You're probably right. However this situation is ludicrous. Clubs are asking fans to hand over £21 or whatever but are not willing to entertain any feedback/complaints. Now I'm not suggesting for one minute that if a supporter turns up without warning at a club's main office they should have the right to meet the Chairman or whoever on request, but clubs should have some mechanism in place to receive complaints in person. Even if the Head Steward was not willing to give a paying customer the opportunity to lodge a complaint in person then the least they should have done was to take the complainants phone number/email address and promise them a representative of United would call them back to discuss their gripe. What United must realise is that now, the perceptions that quite a few Well fans have of their club is based solely or largely on the behaviour of one steward, albeit a supervisor. In a large organisation, its well recognised the enormous damage that one unsympathetic or rude receptionist or telephone operator can cause. Still we must be patient and wait to see what reply the lads receive from United. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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