Ya Bezzer! Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 I agree up to a point, that football needs characters. However, although you are commendably philosophical about the Dougie Imries of the world blasting the ball at you the folk sitting next to, in front of, or behind you might not agree, especially if they have young children in tow. I doubt these players could ensure 100% accuracy! Maybe the club should set up a section where fans who don't mind being target practice for the Dougie Imries can sit away from others who do mind. Just joking of course. No fan should be a physical target for wound up players. Fans aren't blameless however as you say. When I was a kid I sat right behind the goals on the north terrace, next to the posts. There was plenty balls flying around there. We could watched the game from anywhere but we went there. Why? Because it was exhilarating to duck as the ball came flying at you. It was part of the excitement of the game. I don't think its a good idea for young children to be smacked in the face with a hard object but I also think the 'think of the children' argument is over played. Whether deliberate or not if you go to football there is a risk that you'll get hit with the ball. I really dislike this attitude where every element of risk is being stripped out the game. Its part of the appeal of going to football. The day football is a passionless, completely safe environment is the day nobody goes anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCDawg Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 When I was a kid I sat right behind the goals on the north terrace, next to the posts. There was plenty balls flying around there. We could watched the game from anywhere but we went there. Why? Because it was exhilarating to duck as the ball came flying at you. It was part of the excitement of the game. I don't think its a good idea for young children to be smacked in the face with a hard object but I also think the 'think of the children' argument is over played. Whether deliberate or not if you go to football there is a risk that you'll get hit with the ball. I really dislike this attitude where every element of risk is being stripped out the game. Its part of the appeal of going to football. The day football is a passionless, completely safe environment is the day nobody goes anymore. I've nothing against the thrill of ducking to avoid a ball. But it's bloody different when a player mis kicks a shot or it deflects off a players boot compared to a player blatantly smacking the Ball into the crowd for no reason except he's an arsehole. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 I don't think its a good idea for young children to be smacked in the face with a hard object but I also think the 'think of the children' argument is over played. Whether deliberate or not if you go to football there is a risk that you'll get hit with the ball. I really dislike this attitude where every element of risk is being stripped out the game. Its part of the appeal of going to football. The day football is a passionless, completely safe environment is the day nobody goes anymore. I don't think that its a good idea for anyone to be smacked in the face irrespective of age but yes, perhaps some of us have overplayed the children argument. I agree that there will always be a risk of being hit accidentally by a ball in stadia and yes, sometimes the authorities do go overboard on H & S. However I draw the line at a player deliberately smacking the ball at fans - that is tantamount to assault in my book. All of us walk along pavements and roads and we accept that there's a risk of being hit accidentally by a vehicle but we don't expect to be deliberately targeted by drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 I'm assuming you don't walk about telling a driver his maws a mattress and his dad's a peado for 90mimutes? ;-) Just for the record I don't but I'd be ever so slightly put out if someone nearby did and the driver drove his vehicle at me or mine. Footballers are only human and I don't see the harm in "low level" banter but some of these chants are in bad taste. There's still no excuse for belting the ball at the crowd though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 When I was a kid I sat right behind the goals on the north terrace, next to the posts. There was plenty balls flying around there. We could watched the game from anywhere but we went there. Why? Because it was exhilarating to duck as the ball came flying at you. It was part of the excitement of the game. Aw aye, I mind when I stood/sat on the wall there. It was defo cause I liked to dodge balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinkydink Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 He should've got a shout for his wayward header that lead to Accies first but I thought Tait had a nightmare and it's not the first time this season I've thought that about him. Real concerns about him. Samson continues to give me the fear. Spilled yet another shot and generally didn't command his area at all. He did get a shout - could clearly hear Samson shouted "away" from where I was in the Main Stand, when the keeper should have been best placed of all to see the Accies player had slipped so Tait had time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 Ainsworth is out of contract in June and most probably off, given that I doubt we could match his current wages. I thought Saturday was the perfect game to give Thomas a run out when we were leading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgey Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Ainsworth is out of contract in June and most probably off, given that I doubt we could match his current wages. I thought Saturday was the perfect game to give Thomas a run out when we were leading. Why? That game was by no means in the bag. I don't necessarily think that Ainsworth was the right call, but it wasn't your typical "we've Scored 4 and coasting" game and not the one to bring Dom into. That said, I agree with the point that this will likely be Lionel's last year with us and that this is a crucial time for Dom that will go a long way to determining if he's ever going to make it. Hopefully we'll see him fighting for that step up and being the star we all want him to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellowell Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I have seen nothing from Dom this season to suggest he is ready to step up I'm afraid seen a couple of under 20s games and not been as influential as would have liked him to be really think he needs some time out on loan to make that step up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 He should have went on loan two years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 He should have went on loan two years ago Yeah, even a year a ago would have helped him. We're now, what, almost two years down the line from his first start for Motherwell, and the truth of the matter is he's no further forward as a first team player. Yes, you could argue he's not been given a run of games, but you could counter that by saying he's not shown enough in the cameos he's had (I believe it's one assist and no goals) to be given those starts. Catch 22 I suppose. If he continues as is until January, he simply has to get out on loan to play first team football. It would be a real shame if it were to fizzle out until the end of his contract. While I always support bringing young players through and doing our best to tie them to long term deals, we are now looking at the possibility in three and a half year deals given to Thomas and Watt amounting to very very little. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Yeah, even a year a ago would have helped him. We're now, what, almost two years down the line from his first start for Motherwell, and the truth of the matter is he's no further forward as a first team player. Yes, you could argue he's not been given a run of games, but you could counter that by saying he's not shown enough in the cameos he's had (I believe it's one assist and no goals) to be given those starts. Catch 22 I suppose. If he continues as is until January, he simply has to get out on loan to play first team football. It would be a real shame if it were to fizzle out until the end of his contract. While I always support bringing young players through and doing our best to tie them to long term deals, we are now looking at the possibility in three and a half year deals given to Thomas and Watt amounting to very very little. Thomas looks to me like one in a line of Scottish players that doesn't really have a position. He's not quite quick enough to play as a winger, he's not strong enough to play in the middle of the park, he's not quite sharp enough to play in behind the strikers, he's not a finisher that could play as a centre-forward... Going back to the East Stirling game, he just didn't offer...anything, really. He needs to take chances like that, and just hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 He should have went on loan two years ago Was a bit surprised he didn't go out on loan last season as, early on, McGhee mentioned his name as the kind of player who would benefit from that. I think he has suffered from being close enough to the the first team to keep him around, but not quite ready for the step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Thomas looks to me like one in a line of Scottish players that doesn't really have a position. He's not quite quick enough to play as a winger, he's not strong enough to play in the middle of the park, he's not quite sharp enough to play in behind the strikers, he's not a finisher that could play as a centre-forward... Going back to the East Stirling game, he just didn't offer...anything, really. He needs to take chances like that, and just hasn't. I don't disagree. The strength for the middle of the park, though, is something we could easily develop with our sports scientist. Cadden came on leaps and bounds when he was put on his programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuwell Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I don't disagree. The strength for the middle of the park, though, is something we could easily develop with our sports scientist. Cadden came on leaps and bounds when he was put on his programme. I'd like to think he is already on that, his biggest weakness - and the reason Celtic let him go - is his build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'd like to think he is already on that, his biggest weakness - and the reason Celtic let him go - is his build. It seems like it was Cadden and Hall that got the individual specialist attention last season. I'd hope Thomas was on it this season, but I haven't heard any mention of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 It seems like it was Cadden and Hall that got the individual specialist attention last season. I'd hope Thomas was on it this season, but I haven't heard any mention of it. More than anything, I'd be amazed if he wasn't. Presumably, along with everything the human body reaches a limit, though. I feel like Ricky Sbragia, suggesting this, fwiw, it's a shame for the guy as he's got rakes of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villageman Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I think he has filled out a bit over the last 12/18 months. Unfair to compare with Cadden, far different starting point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassin Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I've not really seen much in Thomas to suggest he's anywhere close to this level right now. Other than a few stepovers and an assist against St Johnstone two seasons ago I can't remember him actually influencing a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeboy Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Yeah, even a year a ago would have helped him. We're now, what, almost two years down the line from his first start for Motherwell, and the truth of the matter is he's no further forward as a first team player. Yes, you could argue he's not been given a run of games, but you could counter that by saying he's not shown enough in the cameos he's had (I believe it's one assist and no goals) to be given those starts. Catch 22 I suppose. If he continues as is until January, he simply has to get out on loan to play first team football. It would be a real shame if it were to fizzle out until the end of his contract. While I always support bringing young players through and doing our best to tie them to long term deals, we are now looking at the possibility in three and a half year deals given to Thomas and Watt amounting to very very little. As much as at the time, most people would have said Watt and Thomas were the best prospects in our under 20s and would have been happy that we'd unusually tied them down to long term deals, it is perhaps a bit surprising that Cadden, a midfielder born in 1996 like Thomas and Hall, a defender born in 1997 like Watt, were in our youth system and seemed to slip by the radar for long term deals. We could end up with Watt and Thomas hanging about the fringes till their deals run out, whilst we have already lost Hall and given Cadden only has 18 months left on his deal, could lose him for buttons, or at the end of his contract as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'd like to see the club go all out to send our under-20's out on loan to countries that play summer football. Get them back in November, give them a month off, and look to intro them mid season when the first team squad is flagging a bit. I get the impression that the legendary McGhee pre-season was a flop this year ( maybe the league cup caused too much disruption ). It would be wise to run a shadow season. The under-20 squad should only consist of under-18's, anyone older should automatically be out on loan or in the first team squad. Exciting for McGhee to see seven or eight fit young players with European first team experience walking through his door every November. I don't know if it's within football rules either, but I'd like to see our over-18 development squad players on one year rolling contracts. That Ben Hall situ was a bit of a shambles, giving him a first team breakthrough while knowing he was out of contract sixteen weeks later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Taken a pounding over my Thomas comment, but I'd like to see him and McLean given a run out. We weren't coasting in the game, but look at McMannus at the second Hamilton goal. 'Probably for the game thread, but I hope to see game time before Christmas for Thomas, McLean, Campbell maybe and hopefully Mackin. Maybe Blyth will become our Lukaku though... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Taken a pounding over my Thomas comment, but I'd like to see him and McLean given a run out. We weren't coasting in the game, but look at McMannus at the second Hamilton goal. 'Probably for the game thread, but I hope to see game time before Christmas for Thomas, McLean, Campbell maybe and hopefully Mackin. Maybe Blyth will become our Lukaku though... What's McManus got to do with Thomas getting a game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dossertillidie Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 I'd like to see the club go all out to send our under-20's out on loan to countries that play summer football. Get them back in November, give them a month off, and look to intro them mid season when the first team squad is flagging a bit. I get the impression that the legendary McGhee pre-season was a flop this year ( maybe the league cup caused too much disruption ). It would be wise to run a shadow season. The under-20 squad should only consist of under-18's, anyone older should automatically be out on loan or in the first team squad. Exciting for McGhee to see seven or eight fit young players with European first team experience walking through his door every November. I don't know if it's within football rules either, but I'd like to see our over-18 development squad players on one year rolling contracts. That Ben Hall situ was a bit of a shambles, giving him a first team breakthrough while knowing he was out of contract sixteen weeks later. Some very innovative good ideas, hope someone from club is reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 I have seen nothing from Dom this season to suggest he is ready to step up I'm afraid seen a couple of under 20s games and not been as influential as would have liked him to be really think he needs some time out on loan to make that step up Dom Thomas has 102 minutes of football this season, the longest he's been on the pitch is 54 minutes. To put his game time into context Joe Chalmers has 589 minutes of league football so far this season. Dom Thomas has 785 minutes of league football over four seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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