Stuart Kettlewell discussion thread

[smiddy]

21 hours ago, wellgirl said:

I personally don't care that much about the Kettlewell contract issue not being made aware to fans. It's more concerning that he didn't seem to know which is how it's being suggested on social media. By the way. That isn't me saying it doesn't matter that fans weren't kept in the loop. But apparently he wasn't aware. If that is true that is grim. 

its called the mushroom grower effect     keep us in the dark,    and    feed us shite 

[Dossertillidie2]

2 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

He knew. He said that today when he was interviewed. But it wasn't down to him to announce it in my view 

I didn’t see that interview to be fair.

[Villageman]

8 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

This obviously should have been communicated but lets not make out that it's some great scandal.

At the end of the day manager contracts don't mean a whole lot, it's not even on par with a player contract when you are dealing with a potential asset or a squad position opening up.

Sorry.  To say manager contracts don't mean a lot is probably true in most situations but as I see it not in this case.

 Take this scenario , we are relegated and have a manager with a 12 month contract which we will end up paying compensation if we decide to let him go.. Now we really know why Weir said SK would not be sacked ie 5 moths as opposed to 17 months compensation.  

[grizzlyg]

.  After Alexander getting that disastrous 3 1/2 yr extension a few years back I think we have all be on edge with contracts.  Personally I have no issue with SK having an extra year.  H clearly has a dressing room backing him though admittedly results on pitch need to improve 

[Villageman]

3 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Why would he have to be sacked if we got relegated? Not all clubs who are relegated take that view. 

Because if if we are relegated he will have FAILED to achieve what  I am quite sure his mandate would have been. Simples !.

[Mad Dog]

15 minutes ago, Villageman said:

Because if if we are relegated he will have FAILED to achieve what  I am quite sure his mandate would have been. Simples !.

SK's mandate was also to cut costs by reducing the size of the first team squad.

There are a lot of factors at play here but what SK has achieved with such a small squad is remarkable. There is also no lack of fight within the squad, even when results haven't gone their way they have battled for 90+ minutes for every single point picked up along the way.

How many teams sack their manager after relegation? Do you have those statistics to hand?

[Yabba's Turd]

29 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:

SK's mandate was also to cut costs by reducing the size of the first team squad.

There are a lot of factors at play here but what SK has achieved with such a small squad is remarkable. There is also no lack of fight within the squad, even when results haven't gone their way they have battled for 90+ minutes for every single point picked up along the way.

How many teams sack their manager after relegation? Do you have those statistics to hand?

Some drama queens in our support would have him sacked for that haircut, the entitlement and gatekeeping that goes on with MFC is beyond ridiculous now.

[dennyc]

9 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Not just that. It's at the stage where the club posts anything on twitter or Facebook and some fans are out shouting at everything. I'm not talking about folks right to have a say. It's just the constant creeping negativity that's getting on my every last nerve. And some of it is just over the top. I'm sick of it. It's been like this since folk wanted Alexander out. Kettlewell can't even give a media interview without being called out and personal comments made. 

Wellgirl, sadly it mirrors life. Those that shout loudest and the most often always appear to be the majority when in fact they are not. And what do they do when their obsession makes little sense? They shout even louder and more often.

Keep fighting the good fight. Common sense usually wins through.

We will have to disagree on Alexander though. His time really had come to an end. As it does for all Managers in the long run.

[dennyc]

10 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

We've been on a downward trajectory since we got rid of Alexander in my view. Not least since we had to pay him off. Then Hammell too. I feel sorry for Kettlewell. I honestly do. Like. We were fifth in the table when Alexander left. To me that's worrying and look at how we've been doing since. 

I think Alexander had run his course, due in part to financial restrictions within the Club. I honestly do not think we would have been in a better position had he stayed or that he had any solutions. Also I think Kettlewell is more suited than either Alexander or Hammell to working within those financial limitations. In short, I don’t believe our on field issues are mostly down to whoever is Manager. 
I do respect your view though.

[grizzlyg]

Kettlewell has a dressing room behind him..... Alexander certainly didn't, a very unlikeable character and old news....in SK we trust 

[MJC]

Alexander was absolutely done with us long before he eventually left. I’ve said this many times had we not snatched the late draw at Livingston and scraped top six and then somehow Europe then he would have been gone at the end of that season, perhaps before. And what keeps being overlooked is that HE wanted to go. It was him that approached Burrows to instigate the “mutual consent” after the Sligo debacle, not the other way around. He wasn’t sacked and he wasn’t “hounded out” he left because he wanted to go.

And I’d have Stuart Kettlewell as manager over Alexander any day of the week.

[twistandshout1983]

If it was a straight choice between Graham Alexander or Stuart Kettlewell definitely 💯 Kettlewell for me

Appreciate people will have different views on this , we do have people in our fanbase who like to criticise everything, I am not on Twitter but see it on Facebook all the time even before a game

 

[AllyMax]

6 hours ago, MJC said:

Alexander was absolutely done with us long before he eventually left. I’ve said this many times had we not snatched the late draw at Livingston and scraped top six and then somehow Europe then he would have been gone at the end of that season, perhaps before. And what keeps being overlooked is that HE wanted to go. It was him that approached Burrows to instigate the “mutual consent” after the Sligo debacle, not the other way around. He wasn’t sacked and he wasn’t “hounded out” he left because he wanted to go.

And I’d have Stuart Kettlewell as manager over Alexander any day of the week.

Not often I agree with what you say dude, but i'm with you 100% on this.

[wellfan]

12 hours ago, wellgirl said:

Just making the point that I think the club has been struggling since we got rid of Alexander. I'm very much behind Kettlewell. 

To counter that,  I would say that the club has been struggling because of Alexander's appointment and tenure. And, as much as I don't rate Kettlewell, I would rather have him than GA.

[Great Balls of Shire]

13 hours ago, wellgirl said:

We've been on a downward trajectory since we got rid of Alexander in my view. Not least since we had to pay him off. Then Hammell too. I feel sorry for Kettlewell. I honestly do. Like. We were fifth in the table when Alexander left. To me that's worrying and look at how we've been doing since. 

It's ok to disagree. I just personally think that a lot of fans are shouting at Kettlewell when it's not necessarily him they are upset with. 

Like. Obika gave an interview today and as soon as it was put up you had folk going pish. Shite. And yeah that's how they feel. I've just never seen it this bad for a long time. 

I take your point and in general feel some fans are never happy. Re Alexander tho, the Sligo games did it for me , terrible performances and a big missed opportunity too .. frustrating...I actually felt more for Steven hammel who never got the chance to work with the players he bought, but again timing played a part after the Raith cup tie.

[Ya Bezzer!]

18 hours ago, dennyc said:

Wellgirl, sadly it mirrors life. Those that shout loudest and the most often always appear to be the majority when in fact they are not. And what do they do when their obsession makes little sense? They shout even louder and more often.

I think it's always worth remembering that Steelmen Online represents a fraction of the Motherwell support.

There are, what, 150 regular posters?  Is it even as many as that?

Even if it was 400 or 500 it would still be a single digit percentage of the overall support.

[Coatsy]

21 hours ago, dennyc said:

Wellgirl, sadly it mirrors life. Those that shout loudest and the most often always appear to be the majority when in fact they are not. And what do they do when their obsession makes little sense? They shout even louder and more often.

Keep fighting the good fight. Common sense usually wins through.

We will have to disagree on Alexander though. His time really had come to an end. As it does for all Managers in the long run.

Empty vessels make the most noise

[Yodo]

On 2/24/2024 at 12:19 AM, wellgirl said:

Just making the point that I think the club has been struggling since we got rid of Alexander. I'm very much behind Kettlewell. 

The club did not get rid of Alexander he approached the board after one of the worst results in the clubs history and asked to be released . I think u should take a break from the forum as u seem to take everything personal 

[wellfan]

🤡

[robsterwood]

The guy at at mirren is doing well. 

[Tamwell]

Build the statue.

[Prestwickwell]

Give him a 10 year contract 😂

[grizzlyg]

Told ye that 1yr extension was great....well done the board!! 😂😂

Seriously let's start cutting this guy some slack. He is learning all the time and maybe just maybe will get us to Top 6

[wellfan]

20-year contract, with only 10 announced. 

[MJC]

He’s succeeded where so many before him have failed in getting a league win v.Rangers. Butcher, McCall, McGhee, Brown all failed. Results like that are what makes all the shite ones feel worth it and are the type that live long in the memory.

Well done Stuart Kettlewell and the players.