SteelmaninOZ Posted February 16, 2024 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2024 Devine words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuwell2 Posted February 16, 2024 Report Share Posted February 16, 2024 Don’t disagree with you there but Casey and every other defender have been at fault for us losing poor goals this season - not just down the left. My point was more that with him behind Gent, Gent has been better, that has led to us getting goals - and that might get us some wins. We both have valid views for not playing/playing him there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 16, 2024 Report Share Posted February 16, 2024 31 minutes ago, Wee Dougie said: Mcginns first job is to defend and stop goals, not support Gent. Was at fault for goals against Morton and Aberdeen, so only my opinion, but if we stop leaking goals, especially poor ones, we might win!!!!. Agree that our defence needs changes and that McGinn hasn't been as effective on the left. At the moment though I'd say both Butcher and Mugabi have been poor. Who do we drop? McGinn didn't look clever with the goals that Morton and Aberdeen scored but he wasn't solely responsible by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackscat Posted February 16, 2024 Report Share Posted February 16, 2024 5 hours ago, grizzlyg said: I like Paton. Gets a hard press at times but never hides and puts in plenty of effort. However once Halliday fit then I would expect him to drop out as Davor Spittal and Miller ahead of him in my opinion All about opinions, but I have to disagree, I think Paton brings far more to the team than Davor, although they do play completely different roles. TBH I don't get the love in with Davor, sure he is enthusiastic, runs about a lot, gives multiple high 5s to team mates and is tidy enough on the ball, however imo not physically strong enough, and not on the ball enough to influence a game. If all our midfield players are fit Davor is the one I would have on the bench, Halliday and Miller play that role much more effectively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 16, 2024 Report Share Posted February 16, 2024 17 minutes ago, Clackscat said: All about opinions, but I have to disagree, I think Paton brings far more to the team than Davor, although they do play completely different roles. TBH I don't get the love in with Davor, sure he is enthusiastic, runs about a lot, gives multiple high 5s to team mates and is tidy enough on the ball, however imo not physically strong enough, and not on the ball enough to influence a game. If all our midfield players are fit Davor is the one I would have on the bench, Halliday and Miller play that role much more effectively. Fair do's pal. Respect your opinion. I like Davor and Paton. Once all midfielders fit it's a tough call for SK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 14 hours ago, David said: You think he keeps Paton in games because he is "his wee pal?" I'm not sure you understood my sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 11 hours ago, Clackscat said: All about opinions, but I have to disagree, I think Paton brings far more to the team than Davor, although they do play completely different roles. TBH I don't get the love in with Davor, sure he is enthusiastic, runs about a lot, gives multiple high 5s to team mates and is tidy enough on the ball, however imo not physically strong enough, and not on the ball enough to influence a game. If all our midfield players are fit Davor is the one I would have on the bench, Halliday and Miller play that role much more effectively. I like both players. Both tidy footballers. My perception is that Davor gives the ball away less under pressure. But that might just be my perception. You have piqued my interest though. Im gonna make a point of paying particular attention to both today. What I would say is that they are both decent enough midfielders for our level and if we had a defence that didnt leak stupid goals (like the end of last season) we wouldnt be having this discussion as we would be focussing on the positives of what each brings to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 We now have some half decent midfielders and choices will have to made once, or more probably if, they are all fit. I like Paton as he adds energy to midfield, something we badly need. Davor isn't bad, although like Clackscat, I think he's a bit lightweight and struggles a bit in midfield battles. I think we still lack a leader in there - I haven't seen enough of Halliday to really assess him. If we have a weakness, its that we still lack someone there with a real bit of fight and backbone. That deficiency is most evident when we're being attacked and the midfield seemingly sits too deep providing, little cover for our much maligned defence. In recent games we've seen opponents swarm in and around our own box just a little too easily. I maybe being unfair though. Is that down to individual players or tactics/instructions from management? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 47 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Is that down to individual players or tactics/instructions from management? It's probably a bit of both. As you say, we lack a leader to step up in the middle when the going gets tough, but we also appear to lack a plan B when that happens, which is on the manager. It's a perfect storm of shit, and we've seen it play out all too often. Conversely, scoring lots of goals isn't a problem anymore, so we'll likely see out the season maintaining our 1.04 points per game stat. I think we're looking at a draw at best today. Record: 5-11-9, 26 points (1.04 per game), 7th Home Record: 4-4-5, 16 points Away Record: 1-7-4, 10 points Goals: 35 (1.40 per game), Goals: 39 (1.56 per game), Diff: -4 https://fbref.com/en/squads/9d04848a/Motherwell-Stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackscat Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 3 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: I like both players. Both tidy footballers. My perception is that Davor gives the ball away less under pressure. But that might just be my perception. You have piqued my interest though. Im gonna make a point of paying particular attention to both today. What I would say is that they are both decent enough midfielders for our level and if we had a defence that didnt leak stupid goals (like the end of last season) we wouldnt be having this discussion as we would be focussing on the positives of what each brings to the table. Be interested in your thoughts and I hope its along the lines of 'that Clackscat fella is talking nonsense, Davor was outstanding today' cause no matter my opinion of any player I want them to be terrific for us, enjoy the game! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 No Spittal today? Injured I take it? That’s a hammer blow if that’s the case. The undroppable Captain Fantastic and Paton keep their places. That team is going to get fucking hammered today. 4-0 Hearts. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witchfindergeneral Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 Spittal out today... oh dear. Paton having to be the creative spark in midfield will be entertaining today! Happy with the back 3, that would be my preference going forward unless they drop a stinker of a performance today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 Spittal must be carrying a knock. Glad butcher out team. And the game not even started and already Kelly and Paton getting pelters. Jeez!! Come on folks let's get behind the lads ....COYWWWWWWWWW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 So is Spittal injured or suspended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 13 minutes ago, Wee Dougie said: Your repeated use of swearing, dilutes your opinion, hopefully the moderators will card you for your language. Reading a lot of your posts, it appears to be that you are undroppable from this forum, despite your foul language. Language Timothy!!!! I’m sorry if I caused any offence. I’ll rephrase. That team is going to be defeated quite soundly today and concede several goals, in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 14 minutes ago, Wee Dougie said: Your repeated use of swearing, dilutes your opinion, hopefully the moderators will card you for your language. Reading a lot of your posts, it appears to be that you are undroppable from this forum, despite your foul language. Language Timothy!!!! There are many things to disagree with MJC on. But Im pretty sure language isnt one of them. We are all football fans after all........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 7 minutes ago, wellgirl said: He's apparently being rested. Butcher suspended. Source? He probably does need a rest, but it would be nice to have him as an option from the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 2 minutes ago, MJC said: I’m sorry if I caused any offence. I’ll rephrase. That team is going to be defeated quite soundly today and concede several goals, in my opinion. Thank you, Timothy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 7 minutes ago, wellgirl said: He's apparently being rested. Butcher suspended. Not having a go at you here Wellgirl, but I'd be stunned if we are "resting" our mvp. That would be utterly mental in our current situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 18 minutes ago, Wee Dougie said: Your repeated use of swearing, dilutes your opinion, hopefully the moderators will card you for your language. Reading a lot of your posts, it appears to be that you are undroppable from this forum, despite your foul language. Language Timothy!!!! Calm it, Douglas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 1 minute ago, wellgirl said: More than one person has suggested it elsewhere on social media - not that I'm saying that makes it factual but given the number of games we've played lately it could be a possibility. Not doubting the veracity. But its still mental! Carrying a knock fair enough, give him more time to recover before next week. But rested? We have a week until our next game. Resting him midweek would make more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbybingo Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 1 minute ago, joewarkfanclub said: Not doubting the veracity. But its still mental! Carrying a knock fair enough, give him more time to recover before next week. But rested? We have a week until our next game. Resting him midweek would make more sense. Something personal, possibly? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 Just now, Wee Dougie said: So therefore you agree with his use of foul language in his post.???. He is clearly the Kelly of this forum, he swears in his post, but the administrator David, says cool it to me. Oh well FFffff it. You have visited a Scottish football ground before yes? Language is language. If its racist, sectatian, sexist, abusive, fair enough. What he used was just an adjective/adverb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 2 minutes ago, Wee Dougie said: So therefore you agree with his use of foul language in his post.???. He is clearly the Kelly of this forum, he swears in his post, but the administrator David, says cool it to me. Oh well FFffff it. Settle down. The moderating team deals with issues on the forum. Let's just focus on the game against Hearts in half an hour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 17, 2024 Report Share Posted February 17, 2024 Just now, bobbybingo said: Something personal, possibly? That would make more sense. Given how carefully we guard personal information re our players (rightly so) that makes more sense. Never thought about that. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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