MJC Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 As I’ve already said I think we might well scrape a win next week. However the damage is already done today and even if we do win next week the team and the manager will still be in the bad books with alot of the support for today’s pathetic showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZT_1886 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 I keep hoping he will try something different in an effort to pick us up. Agreed, he does change the line up from time to time but nothing changes tactically or approach wise. If the squad is incapable of changing formation then that is down to the Management team that constructed the squad. Today straight from kick off we handed the initiative to a team adrift at the bottom of the league. A team you would think more fragile than us. I had hoped he would do things differently for once. Something that would encourage me to support him a bit longer. More fool me. Does anybody really think it will be any different next week?This is exactly where I am. I keep hoping he’ll change it. At what point is he forced to. It would be insanity to go up to Perth next week and setup the exact same way but tbh it would’ve been insanity to set up the same way after watching Killie and Hibs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJC Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said: I am still a supporter of Stuart Kettlewell, he has passion for the club which most recent managers have not had , Stephen Robinson not included The style of football recently is not going to get many others going to Fir Park, but it is what it is at the minute when everything is taken into consideration That’s the thing, I genuinely do think that Kettlewell does have a bit of passion and desire to do well for the club and for that I want to like him and want him to do well. But the problem is he just isn’t pulling it off and we are seeing the same failing performances week after week. And that’s why it’s not sustainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 7 minutes ago, MJC said: As I’ve already said I think we might well scrape a win next week. However the damage is already done today and even if we do win next week the team and the manager will still be in the bad books with alot of the support for today’s pathetic showing. The tipping point has been reached. It’s only a matter of time now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Where to begin. Start with the positives: great to see a big travelling support and commendable that they generally stuck with the team until the final whistle when they ( rightly) showed their displeasure at the performance. Sam Nicholson and Callum Slattery looked like football players and hopefully they will have more to offer as their fitness improves. The big negative for me is the way we start games. It is so passive. Today was a Scottish Cup game with a big away support and the team were once again really flat. This needs addressing because it sets the tone of the game and it is happening too often. Regarding Kettlewell past, present and future. He has proved to be the right man for us to this point. Keeping us in the division twice, a League Cup Semi Final and a top 6 berth in the league are proof of this even if there has been disagreement on the style of football on the way through. 9 injuries today are significant. A squad with limited resource cannot absorb that kind of set back without it affecting performance. It does not make the performance today acceptable but neither can it be ignored. The big misconception about the future is that there is a magic bullet somewhere out there that is going to fix things. There is not a single football team out with Celtic that plays good football in Scotland. Teams may show flashes of decent play but generally the league serves up mediocre semi professional tripe every week that passes as entertainment because of the emotional connection we have with our team. St Johnstone were rotten today, just slightly less rotten than us. Let's not kid ourselves that Valakari has them playing free flowing football. Teams up and down the country packed with journeyman pros will be serving up similar eye bleeding fare and passing it off as entertainment. Some supporters will accept it because they win this week, others will moan about how terrible their team is until all is forgotten when they win next time out. I have watched Motherwell in Cup games for 45 years and what I witnessed today, I have witnessed before, often against lower league opposition. Morton, Ayr United,Albion Rovers,Raith Rovers, Mypa, Stjarnaan to name but a very few. Different manager's, same outcome. If I am stupid enough to keep paying my money in the future ( as I will be)I will see it again no matter who the manager is in the coming years. There is nothing ( other than the vagueries of very short memories) to make a valid case for sacking SK as a result of today result or results so far this season. I am still gutted tonight right enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 21 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: Away to RC shite, Away to Dundee shite, Away to St Mirren shite, Away to Celtic shite, Away to Hearts shite, Away to Killie shite, Away tom Hibs shite, Away to St J shite.. at home to Hibs fuckin abysmal.. we've been utter garbage a lot longer than 3 or 4 games. I did say "And at other times during the season". And I agree with your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 14 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said: I am still a supporter of Stuart Kettlewell, he has passion for the club which most recent managers have not had , Stephen Robinson not included The style of football recently is not going to get many others going to Fir Park, but it is what it is at the minute when everything is taken into consideration Really get where you are coming from and I agree to an extent but there is always an end to everything and I feel it's coming. His signings to play how he wants have been terrible. No pace or power anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 7 minutes ago, dennyc said: I did say "And at other times during the season". And I agree with your list. fair dos you did, im still too fucking angry to read clearly..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothman Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Absolutely horrible display again today. Injuries are no excuse - the players on the park should at the very least be giving their best effort and they certainly don't look like they are just now. Seen a few of the 1st team recently saying that it's "the best changing room" they've ever been in and things to that effect. Aye very good, having some great craic every day lads, nice one. How about trying to look like professional footballers who actually give a f*ck for the fans who pay to watch that utter pish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellon Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 25 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I am too Me too but he's got get rid of guys who aren't doing it for him, some he bought, some he inherited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz7 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 I wish to stop this thread now with a simple.......... our players are not very good!!! Seriously look at them and you will know. Goodnight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 47 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said: fair dos you did, im still too fucking angry to read clearly..... No probs. I think I am beyond angry now. Disbelief and dismay more like…. Although I should know better by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFCL84 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 3 hours ago, wellfan said: Yet another predictably poor performance and defeat where zero personal responsibility is taken by Kettlewell in the aftermath. Having watched that interview, I got the distinct feeling that he didn't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFCL84 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, ppower said: Every game without fail we have around 30% possession. In the first half today St Johnstone had 72% possession. The ball is continually hoofed up the park in the hope that we can feed of scraps. This is a huge part of the problem that we have. Lack of worthwhile possession puts the back line under constant pressure. This leads to the guys at the back making mistakes. Keep the ball better and play as much of the game as possible on your own terms in the opposition half and the defence will make fewer mistakes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, MFCL84 said: This is a huge part of the problem that we have. Lack of worthwhile possession puts the back line under constant pressure. This leads to the guys at the back making mistakes. Keep the ball better and play as much of the game as possible on your own terms in the opposition half and the defence will make fewer mistakes. Your explenations are far to sensible for on here 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelman1991 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 One thing that was obvious today was the lack of a "press". I can understand that against more skillful teams who will hurt you, but this St Johnstone team and the others we've played recently definitely don't fall into that category. Utter dug shite today and for a good bit of the season so far. Time for change in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppower Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Just watched his post match press conference. Talked but actually said little. More heat than light. He certainly threw Mair the new goal keeper under the bus. He said. "We have had the new goalkeeper in for the last two games and conceded 4 goals and he hasn't saved the ball." WTF. What about the imposters in the defense who have played all season so far. Also, if there was a blow up with him and Casey at halftime, it's time he walked. Between the bookings and the red cards and sent to sit in the stand, it is quite obvious he is losing the plot. Today we got the tombola football. Subbed half the outfield players. His time is just about up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFCL84 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 23 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I don't agree I have no problem with that, it is just the way that I saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, star sail said: 9 injuries today are significant. A squad with limited resource cannot absorb that kind of set back without it affecting performance. It does not make the performance today acceptable but neither can it be ignored. Limited resource? That’s an excuse I cannot accept when Kettlewell has been given the budget to build a huge first team squad of 28 players. It’s actually more if you count those he’s sent out on loan. The reality is that he’s signed a significant number of players and still can’t get the best out of the current 19 first team players who remain fit and eligible to play for him each week. He only has himself to blame in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 18 Author Report Share Posted January 18 18 minutes ago, wellgirl said: If Casey has had a blow up with Kettlewell at half time why should it be Kettlewell that has to go It depends what was behind it. Players have different personalities and I suspect that Dan Casey is a big character in the dressing room. If it was simply one extrovert that spoke up on his own at random then I agree. However if he was articulating feelings of others then the manager has a huge problem of his own making. What concerns me is that many fans including me, feel that SK is hanging some players like Casey, Wilson, Vale and Maswanhise out to dry and is not playing to the team's strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, MFCL84 said: This is a huge part of the problem that we have. Lack of worthwhile possession puts the back line under constant pressure. This leads to the guys at the back making mistakes. Keep the ball better and play as much of the game as possible on your own terms in the opposition half and the defence will make fewer mistakes. That’s a good point. At the start of the season we were playing a lot less hoofball and actually looking like a football team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Today it looked like we had no clue how we were supposed to be set up. Not defensively because there were huge gaps, not compact at all. Not flooding the midfield because we were totally out numbered time after time there. Not attacking/hi press mode because two forwards were isolated with very little support and left to chase after hopeless hoof balls. So WTF was the plan??? I really really don’t want to jump on the new manager merry go round again but SK needs to show some sort of willingness, soon, to be flexible in his approach to games and play the system that best suits the players at his disposal at any given time and at least try to play football because his negative hoofball approach is not working so if we are going to get beat I’d rather we got beat playing football. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted January 19 Author Report Share Posted January 19 There's no point in repeating many of the above comments with which I agree, and so I'll highlight a few other thoughts after today's debacle. On paper our line up seemed reasonable given our injuries although playing Maswanhise out wide and isolated from Vale was a big mistake. I was a bit disappointed that 16 year old Jack O'Connell was named as substitute goalie. I quite get that it may have been difficult to source another keeper at short notice though. OK it was unlikely that he'd be called upon but potentially chucking on a 16 year old in goals in a cup tie? Really. It came as no surprise to me to and some others, whatsoever, that West Ham recalled Hegyi due to lack of game time. We were expecting exactly that. If we could see that why couldn't management? A lack of planning. Early days and although Mair didn't have much to do he didn't inspire confidence with cross balls and fumbled one. Could he have done better at the goal? Its the first time I've seen Kai Andrews but he looked a little boy lost today. Too early to judge a very young player but was he a panic knee jerk signing? Our gameplan, if it could be called that, defied belief. I'm no tactician but constantly firing high balls down the throat of 2 huge central defenders is ever only going to end one way. Talking of defences, our central defence needs completely, and I mean completely, revamping for next season, maybe Gordon aside. No manager is going to have 100% success with signings but it seems to me that SK made more than a few errors last summer and some of his choices & decisions are now looking to be mistakes. A point made by a few posters before. Management and players let down our big travelling support badly today and they won't forget it in a hurry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackscat Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, wellgirl said: It was probably bad luck that Heygi got recalled just before Ox got injured. However Matty Connolly was on the bench last week I believe so none of us know why he wasn't this week. It could have been for any reason The reason that Heygi didn't feature was because Ox hit form Mair has a good rep by all accounts and it can't be easy being flung in at the deep end like this Connolly cup tied with EK, thats the reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootherwell86 Posted January 19 Report Share Posted January 19 We’d have done much better today if Connolly had been on the bench. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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