grizzlyg Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, weeyin said: Would be hilarious if SK got the Rangers job in the summer. Would be like Crocodile Dundee. "That's not fan abuse"............."Now this is fan abuse" 🤪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 3pts tomorrow would be great for Michael and Ahmet. Desperate for these guys to succeed, come across as nice guys determined to bring success. I can imagine the fitness levels will be getting stronger 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 12 minutes ago, grizzlyg said: 3pts tomorrow would be great for Michael and Ahmet. Desperate for these guys to succeed, come across as nice guys determined to bring success. I can imagine the fitness levels will be getting stronger He'll be gone in three months with the papers calling him The Poundshop Jurgen Flopp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Who have we got that can score a goal right now. The difference between this and the last two seasons was Bair and Van Veen and players from the midfield chipping in with goals. We don't have that now. That's the bottom line. Unless someone finds their shooting boots we are going down Goal scorers need to get the ball before they can score goals. The tactics that the bellend had us playing made it extremely difficult to score goals. But thankfully he has gone and I think the new manager will instill confidence in the squad and we will improve, although we lost on Saturday the stats showed that we had more possession and more attempts on goal so after one game we can see improvement already . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 11 minutes ago, wellgirl said: Who have we got that can score a goal right now. The difference between this and the last two seasons was Bair and Van Veen and players from the midfield chipping in with goals. We don't have that now. That's the bottom line. Unless someone finds their shooting boots we are going down I don't understand your negativity as your were always positive about bellend even after he had lied his way out the door . The vast majority on here and every well fan I know was glad to see the back of that charlatan. Try and be positive and have patience with the new manager as he has inherited a squad of players that many are not up to the standard required for this league. I certainly am looking forward to see what he can achieve. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 23 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I think we are going down - I've never once said this about any Motherwell team. Our defence is crap and we don't have a goal scorer. Very good luck to them. I really do hope we pull this off. But I think there's more to this than Kettlewell. We scrape along the bottom more or less every season - and we pull it out of the bag at the last minute. Obviously there have been times when this hasn't happened - but we make life difficult for ourselves when other teams who compare to us don't. It's baffling tbh I really hope I'm wrong - but I don't think we would survive a play off. I've seen quite a few relegation teams over the years, but I don't see it in this one at the moment. Even just the fact they will play hard to the final whistle is a good sign. I won't be surprised if we're 8th or 9th, but if the new gaffer can get a higher tempo, higher energy team playing that might help compensate a bit for the wobbly defence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, weeyin said: I've seen quite a few relegation teams over the years, but I don't see it in this one at the moment. Even just the fact they will play hard to the final whistle is a good sign. I won't be surprised if we're 8th or 9th, but if the new gaffer can get a higher tempo, higher energy team playing that might help compensate a bit for the wobbly defence. Hope your right wee yin but the dross i have watched this year i think wellgirl could be onto something hope i am wrong but we possibly have played our joker card once to often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 Just now, smiddy said: Hope your right wee yin but the dross i have watched this year i think wellgirl could be onto something hope i am wrong but we possibly have played our joker card once to often We've had more than our fair share of jokers this season , bellend being the biggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 1 minute ago, well_said said: We've had more than our fair share of jokers this season , bellend being the biggest. Yip jump ship then cry wolf bleating tosser is what he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well_said Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 3 minutes ago, smiddy said: Yip jump ship then cry wolf bleating tosser is what he is 1 minute ago, wellgirl said: I don't have an issue with the new manager. I'll back every manager to the end. The issue is with our squad. As I said in other posts any other time we were struggling if our defence was shit we had players scoring goals to get us out of it - but that's not happened this season I've never not backed a manager. I just think so many things have gone wrong for us to date I don't know how we are going to get out of it A win tomorrow will be a huge start Only one man to blame for the predicament we are in . Hope his next shite is a hedgehog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsince75 Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 47 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I think we are going down - I've never once said this about any Motherwell team. Our defence is crap and we don't have a goal scorer. Very good luck to them. I really do hope we pull this off. But I think there's more to this than Kettlewell. We scrape along the bottom more or less every season - and we pull it out of the bag at the last minute. Obviously there have been times when this hasn't happened - but we make life difficult for ourselves when other teams who compare to us don't. It's baffling tbh I really hope I'm wrong - but I don't think we would survive a play off. I much preferred your 5-0 win prediction on the Dundee thread :). Lots there that I agree with and when I look at the squad the majority of better players are those that were around before SK - with exception of Gordon. I do think the +30 players we've signed under his tenure reflects poorly on SK. Our signing policy for me is horrendous. and has been since GA era I.e since Dawes. Head of recruitment lives down South and recruits in the main a bunch of journeyman who care zero from the club. We've done from 70/30% Scotts players to 70/30 English players and I just don't see many players who really care or are any better standard that we can pick up here. For me we lack both talent and guts. Not a good mix , at best it's squeaky bum time until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 12 minutes ago, weeyin said: I've seen quite a few relegation teams over the years, but I don't see it in this one at the moment. Even just the fact they will play hard to the final whistle is a good sign. I won't be surprised if we're 8th or 9th, but if the new gaffer can get a higher tempo, higher energy team playing that might help compensate a bit for the wobbly defence. Like you I have seen us relegated a few times, and seen us escape on a technicality a few times as well. But those last games under Kettlewell were has bad as I can remember suffering and I think it speaks volumes that not one fan I know was surprised at how poor we were. The signs have been there for months. The lack of a regular goal scorer combined with the year on year drop in quality has finally come home to roost. Kettlewell's speculative signings hastened the decline and if Wimmer gets us out of the mess we are in he should be Manager of the Year. I hope you you are spot on with your positive forecast but I think 8th or 9th is a reach. Wellgirl is right to be worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 Let's wait and see what happens tomorrow, 3pts totally changes the dynamics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfc Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 As we seen on saturday it's very easy to lose a game 1-0,we need to start cutting out the stupid goals we're conceding to give us half a chance for the rest of the season and allow us to fall on the right side of they tight games.if we can tighten up at the back and stama can stay fit this time then we should do enough not to be involved in a relegation battle.tomorrow is huge though no doubt about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennyc Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 29 minutes ago, wellgirl said: I really really hope he can turn it around. I think I'm just sad that I have never seen us relegated in my lifetime - been going to fir park since 1987. It hurts the thought of it. I actually think I'm more worried at the fact we might lose a play off. I remember the last play off. I was on holiday in Spain and my mum phoned me to tell me the score and I was like wtf! I think thats it for me tbh. The fact that if we got into a play off we'd probably lose it Fuck knows what's wrong with my happy clapper self. Hopefully all will be well tomorrow night Livi in a play off a possibility. Nightmare. Let's hope we can all feel a bit more secure after tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spit_It_Out Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 What will be will be end of the day a win and it might totally change our season a loss and St Johnstone win aswell good chance we might not even get the gift of the play off to save the day. We have no fight in us that's my main worry and these players are still crying into there bibs about Kettlewell. I have hope AP gets a new lease of life and is the main man to get us what we need with Armstrong as his sidekick to chip in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 3 hours ago, weeyin said: Would be hilarious if SK got the Rangers job in the summer. The Barry Ferguson Suited and Booted brigade in the Brown Brogues begins tomorrow , be funny if we take points off them on Saturday In the meantime 3 points tomorrow night please , it is a must now with recent results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, wellgirl said: Never thought I'd see the day you agreed with me on here Well if your onit your onit 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hope Springs Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 What we’ve watched until recently is a team instructed to follow tactics that saw us playing (often at home) with around 30% possession. How can that be acceptable when the one sure thing in football is the opposition won’t score if our team holds on to the football? Assuming we now strive for 60 or 70% more possession, we might be in with a better chance of scoring more goals and reducing the opposition’s time to score against us. So our new manager’s change of tactic/emphasis hopefully will see us avoid the drop. I feel enough confidence in him to believe this and, regardless of skill or talent, a boost in application also can effect improvement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fizoxy Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 6 hours ago, Hope Springs said: What we’ve watched until recently is a team instructed to follow tactics that saw us playing (often at home) with around 30% possession. How can that be acceptable when the one sure thing in football is the opposition won’t score if our team holds on to the football? Assuming we now strive for 60 or 70% more possession, we might be in with a better chance of scoring more goals and reducing the opposition’s time to score against us. So our new manager’s change of tactic/emphasis hopefully will see us avoid the drop. I feel enough confidence in him to believe this and, regardless of skill or talent, a boost in application also can effect improvement Forest are doing a good job of employing those tactics in the English Premier league right now, and that's pretty much Robinsons philosophy at St Mirren as well. Possession isn't the be all and end all. It can be exciting to watch if it's employed properly with the right players. The difference is having the players that can make it work for the 30% of the time when you do have the ball. The last couple of seasons we had the right kind of striker and wing back combo to hit teams quickly on the counter attack. This year we don't, and we didn't really sign players of that profile this season for some reason, so we should have adapted our tactics accordingly. It's funny that when each new manager comes in, players will rave about how the new guy has simplified the message. Hammell and SK both got that, then they seemed to over complicate things. Wimmer is getting the same treatment, so hopefully he doesn't go down that road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 If Michael Wimmer can transform our style of play, if only gradually, and improve results at the same time, then that could rejuvenate the supports' interest. Hopefully a decent crowd tonight for a midweek game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 51 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: Hopefully a decent crowd tonight for a midweek game. I’m a ST holder but rarely make it to midweek games due to work/family/etc., but I’m not missing this one. I’m thoroughly looking forward to supporting Wimmer and the team tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 36 minutes ago, wellfan said: I’m a ST holder but rarely make it to midweek games due to work/family/etc., but I’m not missing this one. I’m thoroughly looking forward to supporting Wimmer and the team tonight. Hopefully the bring a friend for £3 adds numbers as well. Im certainly bringing someone along so hopefully others will do the same. Even if we just get 200 - 300 more it will help. Thats less than 10% of ST holders need to bring someone. Hopefully thats achievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 I really hope we can create a great atmosphere tonight to help Wimmer and the lads. Also a way of shoving 2 fingers up at previous manager and showing how great a support we have when you have a formation and intensity that gets us excited. In Michael and Ahmet we trust COYW!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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