Kilmarnock V Motherwell 5 April 2025

[Spiderpig]

11 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

That's not good enough. They have no right to be over and out when we are possibly looking at relegation. 

 

The out of contract players, and especially loan players don't give a shit whether we are relegated they will end up back at their parents clubs to see out whatever time they have left on those contracts. 

The players we retain and whoever we bring in will be left to sort out the mess the club is in over the summer .

[MJC]

Next week is already a write off imo. Hearts will have their sights firmly set on securing top six and we don’t have the quality to get a result against them. *
 

So it’s going to come down to the post split fixtures and at the moment it’s hard to see us getting any sort of momentum or even a positive result with the squad of players we have. 
 

The playoffs are a serious possibility. 

 

* I know we won 3-1 against them back in August but that was a long time ago and things have changed since then. Hearts have improved significantly and we have been dismal for months.

[FirParkCornerExile]

9 minutes ago, MJC said:

Next week is already a write off imo. Hearts will have their sights firmly set on securing top six and we don’t have the quality to get a result against them. *
 

So it’s going to come down to the post split fixtures and at the moment it’s hard to see us getting any sort of momentum or even a positive result with the squad of players we have. 
 

The playoffs are a serious possibility. 

 

* I know we won 3-1 against them back in August but that was a long time ago and things have changed since then. Hearts have improved significantly and we have been dismal for months.

Hearts will secure top 6 tomorrow , and we are in for a real struggle to stay out of the play off spot.

[gaz7]

Win next week which could happen as league is so up and down and we could be at least 6pts  in front of killie ross c and dundee who are all away from home to celtic stmirren and hibs.

Today was poor and pitch was always going to sort that out but sending off sealed it but cmon I'd rather be in our position than any of those below.

Looks like an interesting last 6 games and when the going gets tough? Well we can actually say based on last 40 years we will be there.

[stv]

46 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

They can go now then if that's the case. I'd rather see us go down with a team of players that want to play for the club and youth players than players who don't care.

Nah.

[Mortonhallwell]

1 hour ago, Orinoco said:

Nothing positive about today. Clueless . Total re think about our formation and approach to games is required.

The club should reimburse all our traveling support today.

We need winners in the team. Players who will roll up their sleeves and battle. To many hiding.

That's what worries me. We have no winners or battlers in our team. What I would give for a Peter Hartley or a Keith Lasley. The present duds have no battling qualities whatsoever and I fear for us when we come up against St Mirren, Dundee or even St Johnstone in the bottom 6. These teams have players who are not afraid to get stuck in and battle. We don't. 

[stv]

18 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

Whatever 

Another Nah I'm afraid.

And i would rather we stayed up anyway possible . With whatever players

[Mortonhallwell]

6 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

You don't think Slattery is a battler. Or Miller who is going to be sold at the end of the season for a fortune? Get your point but it's not all of them 

Perhaps Slattery could be called a battler but Miller? His game is not about getting stuck in and fighting for the ball. Indeed his performances have really dropped off and prospective clubs must be thinking twice about paying serious money for him.

[wellfan]

On 3/30/2025 at 11:10 AM, wellfan said:

Oh, look, our next game is against a team coming off the back of a terrible result and in desperate need of a win. 

We all know what happens next. 

Useless shitebags. I hope Wimmer tears them all in half. 

[wunderwell]

The much maligned Davor should come in to the team, allowing our other midfielders to push up.

The Carlisle forums were an interesting read at the time we signed Armstrong. They are having an awful season and much down to the 1 up front tactics that Armstrong was faced with down there. They felt he could operate better in a two.

We spend too much time adapting players to a failed system instead of playing to people strengths.

Maswanhise was terrifying at first playing wide of the central striker (then Robinson)

Wilson lost all confidence - Kaleta lost all confidence. They are not bad players but they were hung out to dry by Kettlewell.

[Spit_It_Out]

We are relying on teams to be much shitter than us cause this team has not got a win in them I really dont think they have got what it takes to actually pull up there socks and get us out the mess by performances.

I have never ever in all the dire times we have had never had such a disconnect from a Motherwell team as I have with this one this season soon as we started signing yer Tony Watts and Javier Taveras that was the writing on the wall for me.

I shall say this I went more to Fir Park when I lived in Germany and when I lived down the bottom of England than I have this season but the round trip of 80 plus  miles on public transport to watch these players nah not not for me might go back next season I shall wait see what happens in the summer window.

Sorry for the rant peeps I try to be positive I can accept defeat but there is defeat with pride and fight but this squad beach towels  and the Louis Veitton wash bags packed no fight in them.

[wellsince75]

Just watched the highlights - Ox needs to come back , keeper made a few saves but poor for both goals . 

in fairness most of the team could be dropped - pathetic performance today. 

hope we challenge the red card - I can’t see what the ref was thinking that this was deliberate foul play 

 

[joewarkfanclub]

That was totally unacceptable today.

Im not sure what has happened to Wimmer, but for the second, maybe third week in a row, there was no intensity, no high ball wins, nothing to suggest that his coaching has turned the corner for us.

The red card was a shocking decision, but if we are honest we were already one down and probably should have been 2 down.

We showed no ability to get in behind them with 11 men so when we were down to 10, the writing was on the wall.

To make no changes at half time was shocking to me, and when we lost the second goal from a poorly defended set piece it was game over.

I was initially enthused by Wimmer coming in, but the last few weeks has me wondering whether he really does have something to offer, or whether it was just the new manager bounce which has now passed.

The manager needs to be ruthless now. Those not performing need axed. He has a sufficient "picture" of the players to make the tough decisions.

We are now in a dogfight. He needs to choose his dogs wisely.....

 

[Spit_It_Out]

19 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:

That was totally unacceptable today.

Im not sure what has happened to Wimmer, but for the second, maybe third week in a row, there was no intensity, no high ball wins, nothing to suggest that his coaching has turned the corner for us.

The red card was a shocking decision, but if we are honest we were already one down and probably should have been 2 down.

We showed no ability to get in behind them with 11 men so when we were down to 10, the writing was on the wall.

To make no changes at half time was shocking to me, and when we lost the second goal from a poorly defended set piece it was game over.

I was initially enthused by Wimmer coming in, but the last few weeks has me wondering whether he really does have something to offer, or whether it was just the new manager bounce which has now passed.

The manager needs to be ruthless now. Those not performing need axed. He has a sufficient "picture" of the players to make the tough decisions.

We are now in a dogfight. He needs to choose his dogs wisely.....

 

This three at the back and one striker up front is honestly so like Kettlewell it's just a waste of time I struggle now to see what we are actually trying to do.

And I hate to be negative about Wimmer and no I am not wanting him sacked but where is the plan B?Cause sure as fek plan A is really isn't cutting it.

It's really not good they had all that time to work on things from not being in the cup and international break and we have got worse.

Christ is his messages getting over clear enough cause the drop off from the Dundee and Rangers games is something else.

 

[mfc]

11 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said:

This three at the back and one striker up front is honestly so like Kettlewell it's just a waste of time I struggle now to see what we are actually trying to do.

And I hate to be negative about Wimmer and no I am not wanting him sacked but where is the plan B?Cause sure as fek plan A is really isn't cutting it.

It's really not good they had all that time to work on things from not being in the cup and international break and we have got worse.

Christ is his messages getting over clear enough cause the drop off from the Dundee and Rangers games is something else.

 

Aye the three at the back and one up front still wouldn't work even if we had guardiola in the dug out.from back to front were a mess,again today piss poor goals conceded and no goal threat whatsoever,we can't defend,no width,pace,creativity,we've amassed such a one dimensional squad it really is unbelievable.lets just hope today was the final straw for wimmer and he comes up with something for next week cause if it's same again,we already know that we're playing right into hearts hands before a ball is kicked.

[twistandshout1983]

8 hours ago, mio said:

If we finish second bottom…… which is looking more and more likely. There is no way on earth we are beating Livingston over two games…. Not a chance in hell.

As poor as today was I am sure we are capable of beating Livingston if that was to happen 

In 2014-2015 I must admit I was convinced Rangers who were piss poor at the time would still beat us , and McCall would relegated us . It turned out good in the end 👍 

Different season of course 

[star sail]

Hard to fully judge today's performance because of the sending off. It was really harsh but Balmer does leave his foot in and it gives the ref the option to make the decision.

Killie huffed and puffed against 10 men so I don't think we can assume that we would have lost the game if it had been 11 v 11. The teams are so closely matched that a sending off tips the balance.

I don't think we will finish 11 th. We will pick up at least one win between now and the end of the season. I would be surprised if 41 points is not enough. No team has any consistency. St Mirren scored 5 last week and lost today.

I think Dundee are the best footballing side in the bottom 6. I thought they were very unlucky to lose at FP and they played some nice football in spells. I think they may go on a run after today's result. 

The other teams are all poor and will trade results. It is sad to see the Wimmer revolution hit the buffers but it is proof for me that a new manager is rarely the solution to all problems. Rangers are proving the same at the moment.

It is crazy to think that a victory next weekend could still result in us finishing top 6. It has been yet another weird season.

[grizzlyg]

Red card an absolute farce

[Spit_It_Out]

The red card was a farce but I just watched nearly 3 mins of highlights and the Well highlights were the Balmer red card and the Thompson potential red card not one pathetic attempt at goal for us to view that itself is truly embarrassing.

Two of the weakest goals we have let in all season so so poor.

[SteelmaninOZ]

The gaffer said 

 

[wellsince75]

Whe got gubbed by Aberdeen and needed a reaction yesterday . 

we didn’t get any reaction - we offered zero .  Had a single shot on target .  Talk of the sending off changing the game for me isn’t accurate ,we started badly and continued to play badly . We offered zero moving forward . 

The manager after a decent start has stopped getting a style of play that he’s asked for . 

we need a significant change in either approach , shape , personnel for next few games . 

[wellfan]

Wimmer keeps talking about getting a ‘picture’ of the players to help him make decisions on tactics and formation. My question is how long will it take for him to get the required ‘picture’ that some of the players he continues to pick should be shown the door now?! Make no mistake, this squad in its current form will see him lose his job next season unless he eviscerates it. But right now, he needs to pick players willing to fight for survival, and there’s not many of them. 

[MJC]

10 minutes ago, wellfan said:

Wimmer keeps talking about getting a ‘picture’ of the players to help him make decisions on tactics and formation. My question is how long will it take for him to get the required ‘picture’ that some of the players he continues to pick should be shown the door now?! Make no mistake, this squad in its current form will see him lose his job next season unless he eviscerates it. But right now, he needs to pick players willing to fight for survival, and there’s not many of them. 

That’s my thoughts too. Clearly Wimmer was up against it from the off and the squad of utter shite that he inherited was not of his doing, but the players he is picking are simply not up to it and you don’t see things improving any time soon. 
 

Personally I’ll be amazed if we avoid the playoffs and you wouldn’t bank on this squad of dross having the ability and fight to win a two-legged tie against whatever Championship side we end up facing. And after that I’d expect us and Wimmer to part company whether that’s on his terms or ours.

[Spit_It_Out]

See with me there is nothing about this team to like any of them could leave tomorrow and I just wouldn't care one bit.We always had at least one player that could dig us out of a mess now we don't have that we that.

I really don't want to hear a player coming out this week and we have let the fans down utter tripe blah blah blah  we want to see some bloody actions on the pitch cause what we are witnessing is a team that's slipped back into old ways very very quickly after two decent performances.

Wimmer needs to realise that they can't play how he wants them to play and go back to basics we need to grind out results do something else even draws cause this what we are doing the now with this group just is not happening.

[couttsy]

My god we were poor yesterday, but given we were down to 10 men after 26 mins it’s really hard to judge the players on that.

I believe the club owe it to their supporters to make a stand this week on what when on with the officiating yesterday. Both red cards are ridiculous decisions.

Anyone who’s played football knows the 1st ones not a red, added to that how did the Killie player get away without even a yellow for the 2 handed push into Balmer chest?! Did the ref just completely forget that happened after he went to the screen?

The 2nd red is even more ridiculous, what the hell was the linesman doing/saying to the ref given he’s 2/3 yards away and looking right at it?! Thomson is actually pulled onto Armstrong. Then he goes to the screen and changes it from a red to a yellow. The only yellow that should have been given was to Armstrong for the initial foul and the shirt pull. Then we have the 4th official manhandling Thomson to try and get him away from the Killie sub/up the tunnel. Since when was it acceptable for officials to touch players?! 

Some of us will have spent a small fortune (£27 is mental) travelling down to that game yesterday, which was completely ruined by an incompetent official. Total waste of all our time and money.

We’ve now had 3 red cards against Killie, one overturned by VAR, one overturned on appeal and one that should be overturned this week. Couldn’t make it up!