Our New Manager Who Do We Want....Again?

[El Grew]

I think we might be having discussions with Scott Brown.

[mfc]

10 minutes ago, El Grew said:

I think we might be having discussions with Scott Brown.

I hope the discussions involve the words fuck and off.

[wellsince75]

Club are dong a great job as always to keep things quiet .

from the available Scottish managers Robbie Nelson feels like the most credible and a decent benchmark .

In reality expect it to be someone unknown /unexpected . Suspect we’ll know by the end of this week .

[Richie]

10 hours ago, El Grew said:

I think we might be having discussions with Scott Brown.

He was interviewed at Killie and apparently (well, not apparently - actually) his presentation was very impressive. 

As was Kettlewell's, for what its worth.

 

[Kmcalpin]

15 hours ago, sinjy said:

It looks like Naismith has had a big GTF as he has ruled himself out. Thank goodness

Was he ever ruled in?

[dennyc]

I’d be quite happy if we were to go for Scott Brown even though I detested him as an opposition player. And can anyone deny he is a winner?

Then again I’m against all this analytics bullshit. It all feels like a bit of a cop out to me. I can hear it now ……’Ah but the data suggested he was the man for the job’. Pretty sure even Kettlewell would have come out well using that system. Did that route not steer Hearts to opt for Cathro, as well as Critchley who outscored McInnes at the time? Crazy and hardly a strong recommendation for its use. 

I’m old school so let’s draw up a list of favourites from home and overseas, invite them in for an interview/presentation and offer the job to the one that comes across best whilst meeting the ethos of the Club…community, youth development, Society interaction etc. 

I wonder how many very successful managers would ever have gotten near their first appointments had analytics been the primary driver? Sometimes gut feeling and what you see with your own eyes might just be the way to go. 

As for Scott Brown, let’s set aside the Celtic connection and the Kipre red card. He had a job to do for his Club and did it very well. Just as he did as a player with Hibs. He is a young, ambitious Manager who is doing well and is highly regarded at Ayr. Did a good job at Fleetwood who were flirting with relegation before his appointment.  He left after a season or so with the Club in turmoil behind the scenes and up for sale. The Ex Chairman was jailed for fraud. We could do a lot worse than Brown.
Whoever we appoint has a huge job on their hands so we need to get things sorted soon. 
 

[SteelmaninOZ]

Who said Ange was on the list? I’d like too see that 

[weeyin]

16 minutes ago, dennyc said:

Then again I’m against all this analytics bullshit. It all feels like a bit of a cop out to me. I can hear it now ……’Ah but the data suggested he was the man for the job’. Pretty sure even Kettlewell would have come out well using that system. Did that route not steer Hearts to opt for Cathro, as well as Critchley who outscored McInnes at the time? Crazy and hardly a strong recommendation for its use.

To be fair, Kyrk Macmillan has said much the same - that the data is only part of it, and all the interpersonal qualities are equally important.

Like in any other field (VAR, for example), it's still down to people interpreting the output and making the right decisions.

 

[wellon]

38 minutes ago, dennyc said:

I’d be quite happy if we were to go for Scott Brown even though I detested him as an opposition player. And can anyone deny he is a winner?

Then again I’m against all this analytics bullshit. It all feels like a bit of a cop out to me. I can hear it now ……’Ah but the data suggested he was the man for the job’. Pretty sure even Kettlewell would have come out well using that system. Did that route not steer Hearts to opt for Cathro, as well as Critchley who outscored McInnes at the time? Crazy and hardly a strong recommendation for its use. 

I’m old school so let’s draw up a list of favourites from home and overseas, invite them in for an interview/presentation and offer the job to the one that comes across best whilst meeting the ethos of the Club…community, youth development, Society interaction etc. 

I wonder how many very successful managers would ever have gotten near their first appointments had analytics been the primary driver? Sometimes gut feeling and what you see with your own eyes might just be the way to go. 

As for Scott Brown, let’s set aside the Celtic connection and the Kipre red card. He had a job to do for his Club and did it very well. Just as he did as a player with Hibs. He is a young, ambitious Manager who is doing well and is highly regarded at Ayr. Did a good job at Fleetwood who were flirting with relegation before his appointment.  He left after a season or so with the Club in turmoil behind the scenes and up for sale. The Ex Chairman was jailed for fraud. We could do a lot worse than Brown.
Whoever we appoint has a huge job on their hands so we need to get things sorted soon. 
 

Why do we forget the " kipre red card" ? That's not doing a job for your club , especially when opposition ( us) are on a vastly inferior budget .If you got to use the dark arts to get an opposition player sent off, it's a no from me.

Just strikes me as a bloke with a chip on his shoulder but if the club think he's the man, we will need to live with it.

He's only ever played in Scotland so what new ideas , methods would he bring apart from winding up the opposition...writing all this and I've no idea if he's being considered so it may be a moot point.

Some folk you can take to, e.g wimmer , seemed measured and appeared to be getting somewhere but then he left , so it's not an easy job getting the " right" man.

[santheman]

Leaving aside Brown's history, IF and I stress if we're looking for a young manager with a half decent record, seems to have done well at Ayr according to their fans and who hasn't yet been indoctrinated into the SPL shit tactics managers club, we could do worse.

[mfc]

Just now, santheman said:

Leaving aside Brown's history, IF and I stress if we're looking for a young manager with a half decent record, seems to have done well at Ayr according to their fans and who hasn't yet been indoctrinated into the SPL shit tactics managers club, we could do worse.

i watched there games in the play offs and they were brutal,if that's how brown wants his teams to play then no thanks.

[santheman]

9 minutes ago, mfc said:

i watched there games in the play offs and they were brutal,if that's how brown wants his teams to play then no thanks.

TBF I've seen them live 3 times in the League and they played some nice stuff.

I suspect he changed his approach specifically for the play off games.

A moot point anyway as I don't think he'll be in the running.

[wellon]

21 minutes ago, santheman said:

Leaving aside Brown's history, IF and I stress if we're looking for a young manager with a half decent record, seems to have done well at Ayr according to their fans and who hasn't yet been indoctrinated into the SPL shit tactics managers club, we could do worse.

Must admit I didn't see much of ayr so not sure if they were any cop...bottom line is they never went up and he chucked players under the bus...I'm not sure  livi and Falkirk had much bigger budgets than ayr...I'd rather have john mcglynn any day