star sail Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago I just don't get the hatred towards Kettlewell. He saved us from relegation in his first season in charge, there is almost no doubt about that. We got our first league win at Ibrox in many years. He got the best out of KVV, turned Theo Bair into a sellable asset and introduced Lennon Miller to the first team squad. It is generally agreed that he worked his socks off for the club to the point where it all got too much in the end. When the fans turned on him in the last few games ( as they did very vocally) he reacted in kind and made some ill judged decision. It happens with human beings under considerable pressure. Would any one of us want him back as manager of our club? No. Does he really deserve to be slaughtered for contributing to the continued SPFL status of our club, a status that allows JBA to now do his thing? I don't think he does. There were some comments over the last few weeks about Dougie Imrie being the pantomime villain and how tragedy shows how shallow those negative emotions actually are. Do we really need Kettlewell to be another pantomime villain so that we can enjoy the football and feel validated in our opinions? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago 22 minutes ago, star sail said: I just don't get the hatred towards Kettlewell. He saved us from relegation in his first season in charge, there is almost no doubt about that. We got our first league win at Ibrox in many years. He got the best out of KVV, turned Theo Bair into a sellable asset and introduced Lennon Miller to the first team squad. It is generally agreed that he worked his socks off for the club to the point where it all got too much in the end. When the fans turned on him in the last few games ( as they did very vocally) he reacted in kind and made some ill judged decision. It happens with human beings under considerable pressure. Would any one of us want him back as manager of our club? No. Does he really deserve to be slaughtered for contributing to the continued SPFL status of our club, a status that allows JBA to now do his thing? I don't think he does. There were some comments over the last few weeks about Dougie Imrie being the pantomime villain and how tragedy shows how shallow those negative emotions actually are. Do we really need Kettlewell to be another pantomime villain so that we can enjoy the football and feel validated in our opinions? Mmmmmm..... Maybe! 😍😍😍 I think if he hadnt left the way he did most fans wouldnt be overly fussed about the way it played out or his return. But he did that. Nobody else. So whilst I agree with your point in principle (particularly as it was me that called Dougie Imrie our pantomime villain) it is still football, it is still tribal, and most of us are utter hypocrites! My main point about this not getting too heated and personal before the game is that I think it might actually impact negatively on the team ifnit gets too toxic, and I wouldnt want the "feel good factor" that we are experiencing just now to be diminished because of fit. However, ultimately its football. The fans will do what they want to do and theres not a blind bit if difference anyone on here can make of it. Fingers crossed for a great game, a grwat atmosphere and a Motherwell win. Stuart who? 😍😍😍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 34 minutes ago, star sail said: I just don't get the hatred towards Kettlewell. He saved us from relegation in his first season in charge, there is almost no doubt about that. We got our first league win at Ibrox in many years. He got the best out of KVV, turned Theo Bair into a sellable asset and introduced Lennon Miller to the first team squad. It is generally agreed that he worked his socks off for the club to the point where it all got too much in the end. When the fans turned on him in the last few games ( as they did very vocally) he reacted in kind and made some ill judged decision. It happens with human beings under considerable pressure. Would any one of us want him back as manager of our club? No. Does he really deserve to be slaughtered for contributing to the continued SPFL status of our club, a status that allows JBA to now do his thing? I don't think he does. There were some comments over the last few weeks about Dougie Imrie being the pantomime villain and how tragedy shows how shallow those negative emotions actually are. Do we really need Kettlewell to be another pantomime villain so that we can enjoy the football and feel validated in our opinions? I don't either. I think it's getting ridiculous. Like seriously. I have more to worry about in my life than that statement when he was leaving or whether he sold his story to the Daily Record. We've moved on and he's moved on I actually think he did really well to keep us up after Hammell went and he deserved the job after that I was talking to someone this week who used to work in the catering side at Fir Park and he couldn't say enough good things about him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizoxy Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago 1 hour ago, star sail said: I just don't get the hatred towards Kettlewell. He saved us from relegation in his first season in charge, there is almost no doubt about that. We got our first league win at Ibrox in many years. He got the best out of KVV, turned Theo Bair into a sellable asset and introduced Lennon Miller to the first team squad. It is generally agreed that he worked his socks off for the club to the point where it all got too much in the end. When the fans turned on him in the last few games ( as they did very vocally) he reacted in kind and made some ill judged decision. It happens with human beings under considerable pressure. Would any one of us want him back as manager of our club? No. Does he really deserve to be slaughtered for contributing to the continued SPFL status of our club, a status that allows JBA to now do his thing? I don't think he does. There were some comments over the last few weeks about Dougie Imrie being the pantomime villain and how tragedy shows how shallow those negative emotions actually are. Do we really need Kettlewell to be another pantomime villain so that we can enjoy the football and feel validated in our opinions? He was fine until he lied about fan abuse, and continued to tour the media with it, dragging our reputation just to deflect from him being shite. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxteth O'Grady Posted 13 hours ago Report Share Posted 13 hours ago 8 hours ago, wellgirl said: I don't think any club who plays us should be subjected to an intimidating atmosphere - when was the last time that happened at Fir Park. There are lots of kids going too. So you don't think we should try and make Fir Park intimidating for opposition teams? 😦 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted 13 hours ago Report Share Posted 13 hours ago 8 hours ago, star sail said: I just don't get the hatred towards Kettlewell. He saved us from relegation in his first season in charge, there is almost no doubt about that. We got our first league win at Ibrox in many years. He got the best out of KVV, turned Theo Bair into a sellable asset and introduced Lennon Miller to the first team squad. It is generally agreed that he worked his socks off for the club to the point where it all got too much in the end. When the fans turned on him in the last few games ( as they did very vocally) he reacted in kind and made some ill judged decision. It happens with human beings under considerable pressure. Would any one of us want him back as manager of our club? No. Does he really deserve to be slaughtered for contributing to the continued SPFL status of our club, a status that allows JBA to now do his thing? I don't think he does. There were some comments over the last few weeks about Dougie Imrie being the pantomime villain and how tragedy shows how shallow those negative emotions actually are. Do we really need Kettlewell to be another pantomime villain so that we can enjoy the football and feel validated in our opinions? We've had worse managers I'll grant you. However it was his behaviour latterly that turned fans against him. I can understand that although I'm of the view that we should do our talking on the pitch not off it. It appears he was abrasive, given the run ins he had with match officials, but being generous you could arguably dismiss that out of hand as simply showing signs of pressure and stress. However, for me, it was the manner of his leaving that rankled me. He criticised our support as a whole in public, although he later rowed back on that. He also made several allegations about personal/family abuse, which, if true, were totally unacceptable of course. However these were never substantiated and were somewhat contradictory. What really got me though was the never ending media circus following his departure; and in particular his "well" timed public presser on the day Michael Wimmer was appointed. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirParkCornerExile Posted 13 hours ago Report Share Posted 13 hours ago Oh the omens ain't looking good 😂 Rangers out ... Tick Celtic out ....Tick Hibs out ...Tick Aberdeen out ... Tick Man Utd out the Cup ....Tick 5 games gone my way this week a 6th would be unheard of 😱 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inflato Posted 13 hours ago Report Share Posted 13 hours ago 17 hours ago, SteelmaninOZ said: The gaffer said "I don't think any players will improve if I only talk in clichés and headlines". 👌 This is getting into marriage proposal territory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellgirl Posted 13 hours ago Report Share Posted 13 hours ago 34 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said: So you don't think we should try and make Fir Park intimidating for opposition teams? 😦 This discussion started in the context of Kettlewell. I've never found the atmosphere at Fir Park particularly intimidating tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wellfan Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 11 hours ago, star sail said: I just don't get the hatred towards Kettlewell. He saved us from relegation in his first season in charge, there is almost no doubt about that. We got our first league win at Ibrox in many years. He got the best out of KVV, turned Theo Bair into a sellable asset and introduced Lennon Miller to the first team squad. It is generally agreed that he worked his socks off for the club to the point where it all got too much in the end. When the fans turned on him in the last few games ( as they did very vocally) he reacted in kind and made some ill judged decision. It happens with human beings under considerable pressure. Would any one of us want him back as manager of our club? No. Does he really deserve to be slaughtered for contributing to the continued SPFL status of our club, a status that allows JBA to now do his thing? I don't think he does. There were some comments over the last few weeks about Dougie Imrie being the pantomime villain and how tragedy shows how shallow those negative emotions actually are. Do we really need Kettlewell to be another pantomime villain so that we can enjoy the football and feel validated in our opinions? All some fans have done is turn on him as quick as he turned on us, except we ain’t the liars who whored ourselves out to the Sun newspaper. He lied to try to deflect from his own failings. I’m not saying he deserves verbal abuse on Saturday, but he does deserve all the criticism and heat that’s coming his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 11 hours ago, wellgirl said: I don't think any club who plays us should be subjected to an intimidating atmosphere - when was the last time that happened at Fir Park. There are lots of kids going too. Who cares that much - I certainly don't. Just playing into his hands if we give him a hard time. Good grief what has fitbaw become. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassin Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago I liked Kettlewell as manager more than most and I think there's a kernel of truth there about how our fanbase treat managers- but on a whole the way he left was more disingenuous and self-serving than anybody else in my time supporting Motherwell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago Let's just ensure we pump them tomorrow that will be the best and simplest GIUY to SK and Killie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago Not really sure what intimidating atmosphere means. But I think the crowd should Channel the energy into backing the team. I think some people are of the opinion that the best think we can do to annoy SK is to ignore him but of course I’m sure there are many who want to have a go at him. You pay your money you take your choice. I’m just hoping our performance on the park keeps us us enthralled and that we have no time to even think about SK ‘cause we are enjoying watching our team so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago Back the team and ignore everything else. This game will be harder that alot of people expect. Killie are no mugs. Seldom do we get easy games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 27 minutes ago, Orinoco said: Back the team and ignore everything else. This game will be harder that alot of people expect. Killie are no mugs. Seldom do we get easy games. Correct! No easy games. We are certainly capable of taking 3 points but need to continue to play well and keep our focus for the full game, taking our chances when they come along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago Bored talking about him, he done great to steady ship after hammell and of course the Bair deal was awesome. But for me the way he left and dragged support under bus and then that interview with Oprah mcgregor was final straw. But as already said I DON'T want toxic atmosphere and JB also hinting that. Let's get right behind team and pump killie, that would be perfect reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 2 hours ago, grizzlyg said: But as already said I DON'T want toxic atmosphere and JB also hinting that. Let's get right behind team and pump killie, that would be perfect reply This. I don't mind giving certain ex players and managers a bit of stick, but I'd much rather be getting behind our players as our 4th or 5th goal hits the back of the net. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Grew Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago We should treat Stuart Kettlewell the same as we would any other visiting manager - ignore him. We’ve moved on and have a much better manager now. As for Saturday’s game, I think it’s odds-on Kilmarnock will come and sit in and try to catch us on the break. I think our new way of playing is going to be best suited to away games, where the onus is on the home team to go forward and try to win. Like Hearts last week, it lets us exploit the space after turning over possession. Be interesting to see how we approach Saturday’s game. Hoping for a right good performance and a win. COYW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistandshout1983 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) I won't be giving abuse towards Kettlewell at all , he done a decent job in the 2 years and won't ever forget our first league win at Ibrox in 27 years My main annoyance about him was the way it ended . Fan abuse which shouldn't be acceptable, but silence for 3 weeks on the issue after he left . Then on the day Michael Wimmer was appointed there was story after story for a full week or so afterwards. Stevie Frail has my respect for the way he conducted himself at the time I have certainly moved on since then and loving the JBA revolution 👏 Edited 59 minutes ago by twistandshout1983 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyg Posted 33 minutes ago Report Share Posted 33 minutes ago 24 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said: I won't be giving abuse towards Kettlewell at all , he done a decent job in the 2 years and won't ever forget our first league win at Ibrox in 27 years My main annoyance about him was the way it ended . Fan abuse which shouldn't be acceptable, but silence for 3 weeks on the issue after he left . Then on the day Michael Wimmer was appointed there was story after story for a full week or so afterwards. Stevie Frail has my respect for the way he conducted himself at the time I have certainly moved on since then and loving the JBA revolution 👏 This sums up my exact feelings about him. Of course no excuse for clowns giving him pelters but was it as bad as he made out? Plus on day of wimmer appointment there is exclusive interview with The Sun. For me it's ignore him tomorrow and get right behind JB who i think is absolutely brilliant and going to be great for us. Motto tomorrow.......ignore SK.......Hunners of JB songs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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